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ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 10:16:22

Here's a link from Reuters:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')By Al Yoon

NEW YORK, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Banks reaching for the Federal Reserve's liquidity lifeline Friday offered only "agency" mortgage-backed securities as collateral, reflecting what could be increasing disfavor for these investments.

In its biggest such move by the Fed since the days after Sept. 11, 2001, the central bank on Friday pumped $38 billion in cash into the banking system via three-day loans known as repurchase agreements or repos.

As guarantee for repayment, banks could have also offered as collateral U.S. Treasuries or corporate agency debt of thegovernment-chartered housing finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

But they nixed those options, offering just mortgage-backed securities issued by Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae and government-owned Ginnie Mae.

"The mortgage market is going through a repricing and it has a lot of uncertainty, so people feel more comfortable" loaning MBS for repos, said James Swanson, chief investment strategist at MFS Investment Management in Boston.

Investors prefer to hold the "pure," or "more quantifiable" Treasury and corporate agency debt.

The agency MBS market -- comprised of guaranteed securities created with loans by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae -- is about $3.5 trillion, almost as big as the entire stock of U.S. Treasury debt, which is about $4.4 trillion. Agency MBS are backed by mostly "prime" loans, and because they are guaranteed do not carry much credit risk as subprime mortgages. ...
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby mmasters » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 10:23:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'I') don't have a link at present, but I'm certain that Fridays $38 billion in repos were backed not by treasuries but rather by MBS's.

Roubini and others have written extensively on the moral hazard this engenders.

It makes sense for them to do this to try and prop up the valuations in the debt market from going into a tailspin.
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 10:36:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'H')ere's a link from Reuters:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')By Al Yoon

NEW YORK, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Banks reaching for the Federal Reserve's liquidity lifeline Friday offered only "agency" mortgage-backed securities as collateral, reflecting what could be increasing disfavor for these investments.

In its biggest such move by the Fed since the days after Sept. 11, 2001, the central bank on Friday pumped $38 billion in cash into the banking system via three-day loans known as repurchase agreements or repos.

As guarantee for repayment, banks could have also offered as collateral U.S. Treasuries or corporate agency debt of thegovernment-chartered housing finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

But they nixed those options, offering just mortgage-backed securities issued by Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae and government-owned Ginnie Mae.

"The mortgage market is going through a repricing and it has a lot of uncertainty, so people feel more comfortable" loaning MBS for repos, said James Swanson, chief investment strategist at MFS Investment Management in Boston.

Investors prefer to hold the "pure," or "more quantifiable" Treasury and corporate agency debt.

The agency MBS market -- comprised of guaranteed securities created with loans by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae -- is about $3.5 trillion, almost as big as the entire stock of U.S. Treasury debt, which is about $4.4 trillion. Agency MBS are backed by mostly "prime" loans, and because they are guaranteed do not carry much credit risk as subprime mortgages. ...


Ah, thanks for that. Now it makes sense that they were Agency MBS bonds. Still, I do not like it. I agree that posting such collateral creates that moral hazard you mention. Thanks a lot for the link.
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 11:13:33

The very existence of the Fed is a "moral hazard", not so much whether it chooses to intentionally overvalue mortgage securities or treasury securities. Since banks are not allowed to fail like other businesses, to what extent are they still private institutions? And the banks know it. The existence of the Fed increases the risky behavior banks take by loaning out multiple property titles to the same property. Of course, since governments are always the number one customer, it's easy to see why they are granted this legal privilege.
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby Eli » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 11:44:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'I') don't have a link at present, but I'm certain that Fridays $38 billion in repos were backed not by treasuries but rather by MBS's.

Roubini and others have written extensively on the moral hazard this engenders.

It makes sense for them to do this to try and prop up the valuations in the debt market from going into a tailspin.


It makes sense also in the sense that no one was taking MBS as securities on loans. See the problem is everyone already has boxes and boxes of these turds they do not want anymore.

What the hell is moral about the unbridled greed and averse that we have seen over the last few years?
Yes, investment Bankers and these Subprime dirtballs should make over 200 million or even Billions because of all the good they are trying to do for there fellow man. Maybe they will be kind enough to give us some scraps from their table when we are all starving.
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby Iaato » Thu 16 Aug 2007, 18:30:20

Here's a little comic relief on economics as a science

"Where's the Bid?

Currently, all of the portfolios we manage are undergoing a rigorous screening known as ``crossing our fingers and praying that we don't have to try and find a bid in the market.'' This is supplemented by a cross-market statistical analysis originally developed by the U.S. military called ``don't ask, don't tell.'' This ``unmarking-to-unmarket'' procedure has been the benchmark for the hedge-fund industry for the past, ooh, 72 hours.

We have, of course, been in touch with the rating companies to update our default-probability scenarios, particularly on the AAA rated investments we own. They recommended a forecasting method using stochastics to regress the drift-to-downgrade timescales for the past 100 years and throw them forward for the next five minutes. The technical term for this is ``induction,'' though those of you of a less quantitative bent may know it as ``guessing.''

Mark Gilbert on bloomberg: Hedge Fund Guy Atones for his Subprime Sins
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Re: ECB Steps In - Major Warning Tremor?

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 17 Aug 2007, 19:58:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
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Are you hearing me world? A Fucking calamity.

Now, just a few days later, the Fed has sent out signals that it intends to do just that - lower the fed funds rate - at the next meeting.

Wow. I guess Poole probably regrets using the word "calamity" now.

I wonder if Ben is going to brief us on the calamity at some point?


Analagous to Japan's credit blowout of the eighties. Rates lowered to zero, basically. They'll try it in the US (and don't kid yourselves, other CB's may HAVE to do the same thing).

Which begs the question; who is going to fill the role of carry trade for the dollar to help keep it from plummeting in value? Are roles going to reverse-- with speculators and investors buying up American dollars, at low rates and investing in Japanese yen at higher rates? Is that the plan?

Lots of questions, and it's all as clear as mud except for a little spotlight shining on our future. The picture of the house, 2 cars, 2 kids, big screen television, has faded. In it's place is a painting of a village scene full of toothless beggers swapping chickens for bags of corn.

The Bruegelian landscape clearly illustrates that Greenspan, the neo-cons AND neo-liberals have successfully built a bridge from one century to the next. Too bad it was from the 21st century back to the 14th. 8O
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