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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 01:32:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy would I echelon you when I can just google you?

Umm, yer mail. Google doesn't know anything about your mail or what kind of ftp ya do.
Google- heavily funded by the cia, I kid you not. :lol:
Echelon-probably was some textual script searching perl thingy that sent every file to a gazillion byte storage facility, remember AT&T. Can you imagine the code?
#!/usr/bin/perl
$to = 'SecretService@hotmail.com';
$from = 'Echelon@hotmail.com';
$subject = 'release the hounds, smithers';
$body = <<EOB;
Hello from Perl/sendmail
EOB

if ($stringy=~/bad terrorist words 8O /)
{
sub sendmail($$$$) {
my @args = (
'to',
'from',
'subject',
'body'
);
Either way, echelon is outdated, remember Mr. Bill. No, not that guy that blabs a million incoherant economics thoughts, but the guy who got slaves to build M$oft. Nsa is "helping" Bill and his pals on vista.
Which leaves me with this:
"I am the eye in the sky, Looking at you, I can read your mind"
"I am the maker of rules, Dealing with fools, I can cheat you blind"
"And I don't need to see any more"
"To know that, I can read your mind, I can read your mind" :lol:
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Unread postby Aaron » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 09:36:48

lol that was great!


But only for geeks... sorry folks.

And Google does see FTP content, depending...

Try a wild card Google for a file name sometime:

Like *.fla for example & you will see some unsecured personal computers unknowingly sharing their C: drive.

There are more complex & nefarious search strings which will show ONLY home computer type content... but I'm not sharing that with y'all. :)
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Unread postby shakespear1 » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 10:08:08

*.fa gave me this interesting hit

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'FLA ankle products at The Ankle Shop
Ankle braces and ankle supports are the Ankle Shops specialty. The Ankle Shop has a wide range of ankle braces, supports and orthopedic accessories from ...
www.ankleshop.com/products.asp?cat=327 - 52k - Cached - Similar pages - Filter')

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The Snitch Society & The Surveillance State

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 16 Mar 2007, 18:50:50

The surveillance state has long been one reason for paranoid souls to always worry about when the government is watching them and what they’re doing. They’ve got money and technology, and the rumors that they can read email and phone calls have been going for years. It’s unclear how true those rumors may be, but there is at least a sense of understanding that the government probably isn’t big enough to actually keep an eye on all those communications.

So that’s why they have to deputize snitches to rat you out if you stray outside the lines. From Operation TIPS, to DARE officers encouraging children to rat on their parents for drugs, and actually giving 5th-graders little books on how to snitch on their neighbors for zoning violations. The government is not only trying to make sure that adults are willing to snitch on fellow citizens, they’re actively advocating for this to our children.....
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/03 ... nce-state/
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Re: The Snitch Society & The Surveillance State

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 16 Mar 2007, 18:53:14

How do you think the Romans rounded up those who didn't give sacrifices to Apollo? As soon as you have "civilization" you have snitches.
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Re: The Snitch Society & The Surveillance State

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 17 Mar 2007, 10:36:53

Yet another joy of socialism.
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NYC to be next "London Style" Surveillance City

Unread postby mmasters » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 12:14:25

NYC Surveillance Plan Raises Privacy Concerns
By Frederick Lane
July 11, 2007 10:37AM

New York City's proposed surveillance system, which already is raising concern among privacy and security experts, would be the first in the United States to feed images from networked cameras to a central surveillance facility. The first 115 surveillance cameras are scheduled to be in place in lower Manhattan by the end of 2007.

The announcement by New York City officials that they are planning a camera surveillance system for lower Manhattan modeled on London's so-called "Ring of Steel" is raising concerns among security and privacy experts. Many argue that the proposed network of up to 3,000 closed-circuit cameras will do little to prevent suicide bombers and will pose broad, perhaps unforeseen, threats to personal liberty.

In addition to detailing the networked cameras, the proposal suggests installing movable roadblocks that could be controlled from a central location and used to trap suspicious vehicles. "That idea reminds me of the 1960s movie 'The Italian Job,'" said Lauren Weinstein, cofounder of People For Internet Responsibility. "It was a remarkably forward-looking movie; thieves get access to a traffic control system and create a traffic jam to cover their escape. I can imagine some hacker creating massive gridlock in New York by tapping into the police roadblocks."

Given the track record of computer security over the past two decades, it's hard to argue with Weinstein's scenario, but it might be a while before the tempting target of playing electronic traffic cop is dangled in front of hackers.

Video on Demand

Although the first 115 cameras are scheduled to be in place by the end of 2007, installation of the entire system is slated to cost New York more than $90 million and it would not be operational until 2010.

The New York system would be the first in the United States to feed images from networked cameras to a central surveillance facility. Although there are currently hundreds of thousands of surveillance cameras already installed in this country, most are operated by private companies as part of their individual security apparatus, and any potentially relevant video must be collected and analyzed individually by authorities.

The proposed system in New York would eliminate a lot of the legwork by having all of the video collected, stored, and analyzed in one location.

The ease and speed with which surveillance video can be analyzed is credited by London police with helping them track down the individuals who bombed the Glasgow Airport on June 30 and attempted to set off car bombs in London the day before. Authorities said the surveillance system in London helped them track both the individuals and the vehicles involved in those attacks.

Say Cheese!

The average European is photographed or videotaped far more frequently than the average American, thanks largely to the different legal systems in the two regions (a fact that is somewhat ironic, given Europe's much stronger support for electronic privacy for individuals).

However, public surveillance systems have slowly been gaining ground in the United States, and the proposal in New York is the strongest indication that this country might be moving closer to Europe in the trade-off between protection and privacy.

Wildcards in this debate are the phenomenal advances occurring in surveillance technology. As cameras grow increasingly sharp-eyed and the software used to analyze and mine the video grows increasingly sophisticated, it is not difficult to imagine a time when protection effectively wipes out privacy.

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=53740
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Re: NYC to be next "London Style" Surveillance Cit

Unread postby gg3 » Sun 15 Jul 2007, 09:52:52

F--- this S---. Wear mirrored sun glasses and "heavy makeup" in public, or better yet, wear those ski masks that burglars wear.

Even better, create a ski mask that has some kind of privacy slogans printed all over it, such as "another law-abiding citizen against Big Brotherism."

I am so looking forward to getting the hell out of the city it isn't even funny. Though if anyone suggested installing something like this in Oakland or San Francisco, I suspect there would be a lot of progressives & libertarians getting decent rifles & taking lots of target practice. Those cameras would not last long on the West Coast.
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Surveillance law in US

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 11 Aug 2007, 18:50:21

This is from the forth topic in this article. The other topics are interesting too.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o secure access to the telecommunications switches inside the United States, which the NSA had simply asked for in the past, the new law obliges phone and Internet companies to create back doors for eavesdroppers; if they don’t comply, they can be held in contempt.


Wire-tapping and surveillance law

Watch what you say guys and gals.
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Re: Surveillance law in US

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sat 11 Aug 2007, 19:19:53

ZOMG don't say anything bad about Bush roflsauce. Move to Russia and then L2 QQ more Noob.
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Re: Surveillance law in US

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 11 Aug 2007, 20:03:28

[align=center]It's almost a feeling you can touch in the air
You look all around you but nobody's there
It's been a long time now since you've been aware
That someone is watching you (he's gonna get you)

Sooner or later when your big chances come
You'll look for the catches but there will be none
Remember before you grab the money and run
That someone is watching you (he's gonna get you)

Before you run and hide
He's gonna get you
You got no choice
Because you can't escape the voice

Jumping at shadows that come up from behind
Scared of the darkness that's there in your mind
You're frightened to move because of what you might find
That someone is watching you (he's gonna get you)

Before you run and hide
He's gonna get you
You got no choice
Because you can't escape the voice
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NYC mayor: Get used to surveillance

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 01 Oct 2007, 14:20:54

LONDON (AP) — Residents of big cities like New York and London must accept that they are under constant watch by video cameras, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
Bloomberg, holding talks with his London counterpart Ken Livingstone, said such measures as London's "ring of steel" — a network of closed-circuit cameras that monitors the city center — were a necessary protection in a dangerous world.
"In this day and age, if you think that cameras aren't watching you all the time, you are very naive," Bloomberg told reporters at London's City Hall. …
New York has far fewer, but the number is growing. Authorities hope to implement an US$81.5 million (euro64 million) version of the ring of steel for lower Manhattan, featuring surveillance cameras as well as barriers that could automatically block streets.
Bloomberg, on a European trip focusing on environmental issues, also said he was confident of introducing a road-pricing scheme modeled on London's traffic-busting congestion charge to New York.
The $16 toll on entering the city center by car was introduced by Livingstone after he was elected in 2000 and has been credited with cutting gridlock and increasing the number of bus and bicycle journeys.
Bloomberg must convince both New York's city council and the state legislature to back his plan, which calls for charging $8 to drive a car into Manhattan south of 86th street on weekdays between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. ...
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Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby mattduke » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 13:29:25

It's in the signing statement. Do you get it yet?

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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby efarmer » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 14:28:18

Hey Waxman, any little stuff slip through while you were
exposing doper baseball players? How about a big
wet smooch on the Decider's hiney for an encore?
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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:01:54

"Bush cited as examples the need to "protect human life and safety against hazardous materials....."

Protecting human life against hazardous materials seems like a good and legitimate reason to have an exception allowing police to open mail containing hazardous materials.

For instance, do the police need a warrent now to open and dispose of letter bombs or explosive devices sent through the mail, or does the recipient of the letter bomb have to open it and get blown up?

Is it a crime if a police bomb squad disposes of a bomb sent through the mail that is set to blow up even if they are unable to get a warrent in time to open the package?

How about the batch of anthrax letters sent to the US capital in 2002? ALL THE MAIL sent to the capitol at that time was seized and opened without a warrent. Do you think the police should've been required to get an individual warrent for each individual's mail that was seized. Did the Capitol police commit a crime when they seized all the mail to search for anthrax? :roll:
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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby Iaato » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:06:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')"You have to be concerned," a senior U.S. official agreed. "It takes executive-branch authority beyond anything we've ever known."

A top Senate Intelligence Committee aide promised a review of Bush's move.

"It's something we're going to look into," the aide said."


Un-believable. Nasty creeping authoritarian fascism. This one riles me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Burn all the letters
(someone is always watching)
The governments on the phone
(whether openly or secretly)
Burn all the letters
(now breathe life)
Send them on
(into your story)
To a safer home
(I said burn it to secrecy)
Burn all the letters
Brand them in you before you go
Soldiers are coming to plunder
But there are some things they will never know"


--Indigo Girls "Burn All the Letters" 1997
“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value ---- zero.” --Voltaire
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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby shakespear1 » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:20:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'How about the batch of anthrax letters sent to the US capital in 2002? ')

Did they catch the guilty party ? 8O
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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby gnm » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:24:04

Didn't they trace the strain back to weaponized anthrax originating from Ft. Deitrick? That might explain why they got so quiet about that....

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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby mattduke » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:37:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '"')Bush cited as examples the need to "protect human life and safety against hazardous materials....."

Protecting human life against hazardous materials seems like a good and legitimate reason to have an exception allowing police to open mail containing hazardous materials.

For instance, do the police need a warrent now to open and dispose of letter bombs or explosive devices sent through the mail, or does the recipient of the letter bomb have to open it and get blown up?

Is it a crime if a police bomb squad disposes of a bomb sent through the mail that is set to blow up even if they are unable to get a warrent in time to open the package?

How about the batch of anthrax letters sent to the US capital in 2002? ALL THE MAIL sent to the capitol at that time was seized and opened without a warrent. Do you think the police should've been required to get an individual warrent for each individual's mail that was seized. Did the Capitol police commit a crime when they seized all the mail to search for anthrax? :roll:

The number one killer of people are governments that turn against their own citizens. In the 20th century governments killed 200 million of their own citizens (and another 70 million in wars). Protection from the primary source of violence must be our primary concern. The question is not who will protect you from terrorists, but who will protect you from your own government.
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Re: Bush Grabs Power To Open All Mail Without Warrant

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 15:38:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', '[')code]How about the batch of anthrax letters sent to the US capital in 2002? [/code]
Did they catch the guilty party ? 8O


I even know Sheeple who didn't think that was a real attack!

I say, everybody write letters that only say, "Impreach Bush/Cheney." :evil:
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