[Hawkcreek]

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[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')f you were shipwrecked at sea, miles from land, in a lifeboat rated for 8 people with 24 on board, and more survivors swam to your boat, would you let them aboard, or would you fend them off?

[holmes]

I make sense to human beings. I do not make sense to cult members or those that are not realists. Commies, socialists, neo classical capitalist cult members, religionists, utopians, new agers, wanna be injuns, waifs, gestapos, inbreds, red necks, environmentalists, panty waist nanny staters, punks, gang bangers, racists, etc... can not make sense of me. oh and especially cornucopians have not a clue of what i am about. I like it that way.
The laws of nature govern me.

Poeple that think they can get something for nothing despise me. I love it.

anyone who beleives others need to take care of their pitiful selves and their greasy seeds hate me and refuse to accept responsibility.
I would shoot every one of those people in the water. Or crush their skulls with the paddles. Does that make sense? Its straight forward. Simplicity is hard to make sense of I know. especially in this twisted paradigm where simple has to be forced into complexity. Its been conditioned into the hairless baboon. hey it makes profits. I say leave things alone and dont fuck with them. Humans make things difficult for themsleves. just a flawed specie of primate thats all.
Its like medicine. nature has it all. But what do we do? Create industrialized machines that destroy nature! and instead create synthetic death. a bizzare fucked up sicko culture. A WORLDWIDE culture.
Oh yeah and those that blame it all on America hate me and can not make sense of me one iota. Go to numbersusa.com.
But yeah simple hard choices are hard to make sense of. :-/ oy veh.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', ' ')Then you should know that during the war when sailors went into the water, others in overloaded lifeboats would attach them with ropes to keep their freeboard intact, and periodically rotate them on board with healthy survivors taking their place. That extends the survival time of the greatest number.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')f you were shipwrecked at sea, miles from land, in a lifeboat rated for 8 people with 24 on board, and more survivors swam to your boat, would you let them aboard, or would you fend them off?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', ' ') That extends the survival time of the greatest number.

Time is what we need to make the switch to renewables.

But that sounds kind of like a plan, which no doomer would ever advocate.

[Alcassin]

I see the land:
No problem I will return to take them.

I don't see the land:
Sorry no free space

I don't see the land few days more:
Sorry 1 passenger less in lottery (I cheat)

I don't see the land another few days and eveyrobdy starves:
Sorry 1 passenger is the meal for everybody.

At last with me and some girls find island or die from in the middle of oceanic nowhere. And don't tell me that your instinct is so low that you wouldn't do that, because it is a lie. Everybody wants to live.

Look at Robinsons - it is only 1 million $ game and look at the everyone's strategy for that prize (everybody lies, nobody trusts the others), winning life is more than 1 million bucks.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')f you were shipwrecked at sea, miles from land, in a lifeboat rated for 8 people with 24 on board, and more survivors swam to your boat, would you let them aboard, or would you fend them off?

[EnergyUnlimited]

Monte is missing following:

1. Some survivors had managed into lifeboat.
2. Their loved ones are still in water.
3. All want to live and everyone will support his/her loved ones.

Summary:
Lifeboat will sink, some will manage to land with aid of scraps.
Some will save their loved ones, some others will not.

Ruin is the only realistic future of current global civilization.
There is no way out of it.

Didn't vote as options are not corresponding to actual situation.

[smallpoxgirl]

I think EU hit it on the head. Assuming that humans are capable of rational action on that kind of scale is a grave miscalculation. People will deny the severity of the problem even as the boat sinks around them. Some people are capable of rational action some of the time. On a population basis, the rulers are always best served by ignoring and downplaying problems. This is the lesson of the 1980 presidential election.

[dinopello]

Wouldn't your own survival depend on at least appearing to go along with the consensus of the boat ? If you were the only person playing whack-a-mole with people's loved ones in the water, or if your boat was full of do-gooder's (they do exist, believe me) that were trying to save the people rather than kill them, they might just throw you in the water (kind of ironic in the latter case). Consensus isn't always right (although often it does find optimal tradeoffs in some sense), but once a community has come to consensus, going against that may get you kicked out - and in this situation that would be the end of you for sure.

[Ludi]

"Other"


Give up my place in the boat.

[oowolf]

No one knows what they would do unless they've had the experience. Too many variables. If the people trying to get in the boat were Bush and Cheney it would be easy. If the people were my mother and sister, then someone's gonna be thrown overboard. Why not make it more of a "Sophie's Choice" scenario--you know, the kind where you're damned if you, damned if you don't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie's_Choice_(film)

[holmes]

I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard for 2 years (4 year stint) Those oceans are scary places. These situations are grave. I know exactly what i would do. Its ugly. Lets see panicking haitians pulling you to your death? I let them die. Smash to the skull to get them off you. No brainer on my part....

[PenultimateManStanding]

other, explain: grow gills and start swimming.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')onte is missing following:

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', 'W')e all die eventually, I'd rather die with good karma.

Hop on board!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '"')Other"


Give up my place in the boat.

[Twilight]

You use the paddles to get the boat to shore if you have something to aim for. Those in the water, you leave behind. It need not be spectacular.

If everyone gets into the boat, you don't waste energy fighting, you lower yourself overboard and swim for shore yourself. With any luck the boat might run out of occupants and you can hop back on board. It it works out that way, congratulations on opting out of the nastiness and inheriting what's left, but don't bet on it. Be prepared to get out and swim. If the boat sinks behind you, the survivors will be in worse shape and will stand even less of a chance of making it.

Either way I would avoid anything cinematic, because cinematic means early death. I would stfu and let the crowd thin its own ranks, then play with the situation left afterwards.

[Laughs_Last]

It would depend on who is in the boat with me, and who is in the water, and how many were sill in the water, my past relationship to these groups, and how far we are from land/rescue. I will assume a boat of mixed strangers each with family in the water with no hope of land or rescue. I would attempt to convince all around that the largest heaviest oldest people should get out of the boat (fat men first), and the smallest lightest youngest (small children) should get in. That way the boat, regardless of rater capacity, could hold the greatest number of people with the least loss. I would lead by example, jumping ship, helping in the small, fending off the big. Fat people float better anyway.

People often make great self-sacrifices, when motivated by saving their own children, or when they will be recognized with glory for serving the greater good. People will proudly kill and die for their own genes and memes if they expect success.