[Wednesday]

Lip service. The only way to get tough on illegal aliens is to go after the guys who import them for labor.

Find the guy who signs the checks.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WhipperSnapper', 'I') think this is just more Congressional symbolism over substance. If the government really wanted to end mass illegal immigration it could do it.

It could start by jailing employers who knowingly or recklessly hire illegals, then the Constitution could be amended to say that if an infant's parents were here illegaly, birth on the soil does not confer citizenship, ending the anchor baby problem.

[mjdlight]

Hmm...

Would anyone dispute me if I said the three most famous walls in world history were the following:

1. The Great Wall of China

2. The Maginot Line

3. The Berlin Wall

And would any dispute me if I said that all three of these walls ultimately proved to be failures?

We'll see if this is any different....I have my doubts.

[gnm]

The NK/SK DMZ seems to work all too well...

This is just lip service. Is there any funding even attached to the bill or have they just heaped on some more pork...

-G

[Ludi]

Pork. Most of the small amount of money ear-marked for the wall will be used for new roads and infrastructure to build the wall. Basically a way to move money into the pockets of contractors.

[NEOPO]

Oh this is getting good!!
Now I can sit back and watch the republicans gasp for air as well

bwahahahah!! ok ......sorry as we are all drowning together ;-(

[Schneider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mjdlight', 'H')mm...

Would anyone dispute me if I said the three most famous walls in world history were the following:

1. The Great Wall of China

2. The Maginot Line

3. The Berlin Wall

And would any dispute me if I said that all three of these walls ultimately proved to be failures?

We'll see if this is any different....I have my doubts.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')ences do two things: keep people out and, perhaps more importantly in this case, keep people in.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')ences do two things: keep people out and, perhaps more importantly in this case, keep people in.

[The_Toecutter]

Homeland Security Agents make even better target practice. It's not very sporting to fire onto an unarmed opponent.

[duke3522]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')This is just lip service. Is there any funding even attached to the bill or have they just heaped on some more pork...

-G

[emersonbiggins]

If this doesn't bring Specop out of hiding, nothing will...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')llegal workers cost firm $5 million

IMMIGRATION: Golden State Fence Co. pleads guilty. Prosecutors urge prison for two executives.

10:00 PM PST on Thursday, December 14, 2006

By JOSH BROWN and SHARON McNARY
The Press-Enterprise

A Riverside fence-building firm and two of its executives were fined a combined $5 million after pleading guilty Thursday in federal court to knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, and prosecutors seek prison terms for the men.

Golden State Fence Co. -- which several years ago built part of a 14-mile border fence near San Diego -- admitted to knowingly hiring 10 illegal workers between January 1999 and November 2005.
... [more at article]
(Link to Press Enterprise Article)

[NEOPO]

"like a free ride when you have already paid"

[PenultimateManStanding]

Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean having been imprisoned for shooting an illegal immigrant from Mexico have created a big cause celebre. You'll find all kinds of outrage on the internet and I'm not sure where to come down on this issue. The Mexican was running pot into the US but that doesn't appear to be the issue. The guy tried to surrender and one of the agents "attempted" to hit him with a shotgun rifle butt. The Mexican then fled and was shot at. You can read the US Government response to the criticism here
One of the issues involved seems to be diplomatic relations between the US and Mexico. But it was a jury that convicted these guys. Interesting case that seems to tie into a lot of extraneous emotional issues. The Agents didn't do the Mexican much harm, just a Forrest Gump injury. Do we want our Agents to be tough SOBs or protect the rights of smugglers? Do we want to secure the border or make sure that government agents play by strict rules? Here's what I think: the whole issue will be moot when Mexico collapses due to declining revenues from oil and the US stops getting oil from down South Of The Border. Unless of course we still need labor and cannon fodder. . .

[Falconoffury]

A day will come when border patrols are ordered to shoot all Mexicans that cross the border.

[OilIsMastery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'A') day will come when border patrols are ordered to shoot all Mexicans that cross the border.

[holmes]

do not worry those poor mexicans are so repressed and opressed when they come to America, PMS! oh the horrors the shame. In a sane society based on limits and ecology the borders and coasts would be manned wall to wall with fire and brimstone. the oceans patrolled and illegal fishing vessels and such sunk immediately. Instead we get pussies that can not make a stinking hard decision. a pure Gynocracy. release the agents and destroy all that take one step across. and deport all at the end of mini chain gun if need be along with the traitors in this country who support and aid them. all the way from the top of the ponzi down. Just waste them all for pete sakes. Indecision is such a shit ass quality.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I was referring to the Ramos case, holmes, when I said I wasn't sure. A lot of people are upset that he's in prison. I can understand how they feel but I thought I'd better hear the Department of Justice brief on this particular case. I thought the DOJ case had merit. As for the larger issue I did pose that as a question because it is the question we face. We need their labor but we get problems along with that labor. You've got the answer it seems. Good for you. Shoot 'em and let God sort 'em out.

[holmes]

http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseW ... l&ID=17420

PMS, we need them like a bullet hole in the head. I have been observing overpopulation and overconsumption for years now. and the borders especially. Most do not have a feeble clue about the true costs of this bullshit. and I do not care anymore. No one is listening. So I will shoot my mouth off. Do not like it? I have lead for an answer. The macho crotch grabbing scum "rich heritage" does not intimidate me.

[holmes]

I do not see anything wrong with those two border agents. Theya re overstressed and overworked and ignored. Give them carte blanche to blow these criminals away. They are ALL criminals. Illegal tresspassers. Kill them all asap. and PMS your girls are going to be cannon fodder. We all better hope the oil runs freely and cheaply. The rape culture is upon us. deal with it.