by wankmeister » Sat 04 Aug 2007, 10:41:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '1')st, to the guy who describes himself as "the working poor", what a glorious age we live in when the working poor have the leisure time and the resources to access and type on the Internet!
I'm sure the historical "poor" of the world would be very happy to know their descendants have ascended to such lofty heights.
Where they toiled to put food in their skinny children's mouths, you [maybe not Bastard Squad, but certainly many "working poor"] are so wealthy that you are 100 pounds overweight and you have access to and time for the Internet.
Wonders wonders.
As for . . .
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')You're telling me Bush/Cheney went to all the trouble to involve 3 commericial Airliners , the WTC, thousand of NYFD/NYPD and countless government officials/commands all to have an excuse to invade Afghanistan? you really , truly believe that? - Look, I know how passionate you 9/11 truth movement believers and Rosie Odonnell get, so I really don't want to flame. I'll just say , "No freaking Way". I'll discuss it with you though, maybe in a differetn thread."
I never liked Rosie, but my respect for her went way up after she took her stand.
Look, OP, you're clearly a flag waving American.
I'll try this though, because if you're reading PO.com, then you can't be totally blocked from new thoughts:
You ask "why" Bush et al would want to do that.
You ask this on a Peak Oil forum.
That's like a cheated-on husband standing over the naked body of Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp and asking his also naked wife, "what do you see in these guys?"
Seriously man, you're standing right on top of it.
It's remarkably simple.
It's the end of the Empire because oil is running out.
Brilliantly, I do not have to convince you of that.
So, Bush, Cheney, Rice, and all, who are all intimately aware of all things oil, know that the only way to continue the reighn of the Empire is to secure oil.
So they look around.
Iraq is perfect - 2nd largest proven reserves of top grade oil, largely unexplored, with an easily toppled dictator and a fractious population that will not likely put up a fight after occupation.
So now the American sheeple need to be fired up.
CIA funnels several million dollars to SAs operatives. They find a bunch of fanatics, and the CIA money trains them. Bush's brother is in charge of WTC security. The rest is so easy so as to be silly.
Now, Bush et al just sit back and wait for the "terrorist cell" to carry out the plan. Cheney orders stand down, most national air distracted with other things, and bingo.
I'd say fewer than 20 people would have to know.
Maybe even 10, if you had the right people in the CIA.
Really not hard, really not expensive.
The only thing that you're having trouble with is the fact that they WOULD do it.
So, after 911, Afghanistan gets invaded immediately.
Why?
Oil pipeline route, it flanks Iran and the rest of the oil rich reason, it keeps China and Russia out. It's a good target.
Then, with Americans still pissed off about the WTC, an excuse is totally fabricated to invade Iraq - the real prize.
And how much convincing did the generally ignorant American sheeple take? Not much at all.
I'd bet 95% of Ameridiots couldn't find Iraq on a map.
I'd bet 99% of Ameridiots don't currently know that Iraq never had - by Bush's account - anything to do with terrorism. Nothing at all.
No. Instead - the ridiculous line that is feed to the Sheeple is that the U.S. is there to "protect the world and spread democracy."
Hah!!!
Yes. As long as you have oil - then we'll come save you.
And yet 3 thousand Americans are dead and 1/2 a million Iraqis.
Democracy, apparantly, comes at the cost of a mini-genocide.
Saddam himself could not have aspired to 1/2 a million dead.
So, OP, you're sitting on your answer.
It's incredibly obvious.
It's ALL ABOUT OIL.
Bush needed an excuse to go to where the oil was. He knew damn well that the American public - EVEN IN ITS STUPOR - would not send kids off to die without first being fired up.
911 was perfect.
Bush has been happy to let 3,000 U.S. kids die in the sand. He'll be perfectly happy to let another 50,000 die in the sand to guard the oil.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that he wasn't perfectly happy to have 2,500 or so die in the WTC in order to make it happen?
Oh course he was. He [they] sacrificed a few citizens.
The pay back?
Carte f**king blanche to invade the world.
Now every speech that he gives is 911 this and WTC that and Al Queda this.
You're just a monkey being fed cheese.
You hear "911" and your dander gets up and you're ready to invade [iran, syria, nigeria, venezuela].
It's clear as day what the motivation was.
It's clear as day that the 911 inside job was a total success.
It's clear as day that most Americans no longer understand that there was no connection to Iraq.
It's even more clear that 911 was the pretext on which the war on the world's oil production would be based.
And you here at a Peak Oil site and a citizen of the Empire not seeing the obvious connection! Shame on you!
[personal note - I always found it odd that the "terrorists" chose 8:45Am as the time to strike. In another 2 hours, the death toll would have doubled.]
First, let me say that I'm no fan of Bush & friends. I think he's, at best, guilty of horrible judgement. At worst, he's a war criminal on a par with Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. That being said, I have to take issue with the "911 truth" conspiracy theorists. I'm not saying it's not possible that it was an inside job. And yes, I think Bush and Cheany pissed themselves with glee when 911 happened. They may have even had prior knowledge. But, I'm saying that there is not even the slightest trace of evidence. You and your ilk have absolutely no basis to declare, with absolute certainty, that Bush did 911. How the f**k would you know? Because you don't like his politics? Because he's a buffoon who can hardly get through a sentence without making an idiot of himself? Because he's brought the world to the brink of destruction? Yes, he's a horrible president, but to tell people "shame on you".....or to stand up on national tv and point fingers (Rosie)....you have no proof....if you do, post it.
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