[KevO]

more doomer porn with a shiny, shiny light

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[whereagles]

Based on what I know of human nature, it's gonna be more mad max than hippy.

[MacG]

Could we not have both? First MadMax for some five years and then some cosy ecotopia for the 10% survivors?

[Sys1]

In my opinion, the Hippy Utopia is worst than Mad Max perdition. I prefer to fight to death than smoke to death.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'C')ould we not have both? First MadMax for some five years and then some cosy ecotopia for the 10% survivors?

[whereagles]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'C')ould we not have both? First MadMax for some five years and then some cosy ecotopia for the 10% survivors?

[whereagles]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'S')o best preps are tofu eating and nettle tea drinking and as fr alcohol it will have to be cider.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'C')ould we not have both? First MadMax for some five years and then some cosy ecotopia for the 10% survivors?

[RdSnt]

I agree, the time that spawned Hippies was the nadir of our current version of civilization. Not the hippies themselves, but that we had the luxury and time and intellectual power to provide a space for that invention.
Too bad we didn't listen, instead we retreated, and the hippies evolved into the most greed filled, wasteful generation that has ever been seen.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')nd who will that 10% consist of? The peaceful hippies? Or the toughest, craftiest, meanest members of the pack?
If the toughest survive, will they be inclined to become hippies?
Hippies are, I think, spawned only in an environment of abundance, peace, and security -like America in the 1960's. I doubt that's where we're going... Versus

[TheTurtle]

Fighting nature to survive is what brought us to this point.
IMO, only those who learn to blend with nature in order to thrive will have a chance in a post cheap fuel future.
If that dichotomy is best described as Mad Max vs Hippy, then so be it.
But I would suggest that blending with nature does not necessarily entail wearing beads and tie-dyed shirts and saying, "Far out, man" in response to everything one hears.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'C')ould we not have both? First MadMax for some five years and then some cosy ecotopia for the 10% survivors?

[bshirt]

Most hippies were spoiled and lazy with well-to-do to wealthy parents who repeatably bailed their worthless asses out.
It's a supreme stretch to imagine "hippies" being the foremost group of folks to accomplish the brutal work that post PO will require.
"Peace babe, violence is a bummer" works just fine in the full-belly US of the 60's (hey Mom, could you send me another check?). But for 2007 and onward? Nope.....

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'M')ost hippies were spoiled and lazy with well-to-do to wealthy parents who repeatably bailed their worthless asses out.
It's a supreme stretch to imagine "hippies" being the foremost group of folks to accomplish the brutal work that post PO will require.
"Peace babe, violence is a bummer" works just fine in the full-belly US of the 60's (hey Mom, could you send me another check?). But for 2007 and onward? Nope.....

[KevO]

how coincidental, just posted up at EB is this?:
BUILDING CIRCLES OF COMMUNITY: "LONE RANGERS" CANNOT SURVIVE COLLAPSE link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')uch talk of ecovillages and intentional communities abounds among collapse watchers, and in many of such venues that have actually been created, a significant amount of time is devoted to community building-sometimes a minimum of three hours per day. One may wonder how anything else can get done when people sit in community circles that many hours. Who plants and weeds the garden? Who cooks? Who washes dishes and empties garbage into the compost?

What many communities have discovered is that community building requires so much time that its members must have "sprung themselves" from the system to such an extent that they have the time required to devote three or four hours per day to sitting in a circle and processing feelings and making decisions about the community's well being. What does not work well, experience tells us, is a community in which people share residence but are still chained to a system in which they must commute to exhausting jobs, return to their groovy ecovillage, and have little or no time or energy left to do the emotional work necessary to sustain it.

The reader may be bristling with skepticism about this and inwardly protesting that he/she has little interest in "touch-feely" stuff like "processing feelings." One may just want to live comfortably in his/her head in a safe space with friends or family and detach entirely from empire doing work for the community and living sustainably. The inexorable reality, however, is that any community that does not process feelings and build trust by doing so or simply holds long meetings about "mission statements", division of labor, community logistics, or budgets, without addressing emotional issues is NOT, I repeat, NOT sustainable. The Lone Ranger is over-so over, and cooperation and heartfelt communication will be as essential as food and water in a post-collapse world.

[americandream]

Community......hahahahahahaha....man, what a load of bollicks!
It's either going to be communism (as in imposed at the end of a gun non-commercialised resource sharing with enforced limitations on the redevelopment of capitalist initiatives) or ooga booga bad men riding up the driveway mum!
The blimmin hippies are a bunch of dole bludgers mate...stop the dole and see how long the buggers last.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he blimmin hippies are a bunch of dole bludgers mate...stop the dole and see how long the buggers last.

[kevincarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '.').., and the hippies evolved into the most greed filled, wasteful generation that has ever been seen.

[Eli]

"I see dead hippies"

[coyote]

All utopias require humans to behave like angels in order for the system to function and continue functioning. As such, will never happen. We need a way of life that realistically allows us to behave as we are -- human beings. Otherwise, we'll just have crash after crash, though likely none so magnificent as the current.