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Re: Steps to take
by holmes » Fri 20 Jul 2007, 20:31:02
And India and China are NOT sustainable. They are on a crash course. and for the life of me I can not understand why folks would even consider wanting to live like that! People enjoy living on top of one another with massive disease and virus flooding over their bodies. yuk.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
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Re: Steps to take
by PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Jul 2007, 21:10:11
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yes PMS the truly important life sustaining things have been nearly destroyed.
I'll tell you, holmes, one of the most depressing aspects of all this. Doctors and Lawyers who sue dairy farmers and put them out of business. The burbs spread out and these big money cretins don't want to smell local food production, nevermind that the dairies were there before them. Ordinances that prohibit people from raising chickens because people don't want to hear roosters at dawn. Ordinances that prohibit people from drying their laundry on clotheslines. This is why I like reading your rants. These kinds of stories make me so angry. I feel as you do that these idiots deserve what's coming to them. As Shakespeare said, "First thing we do, is kill all the lawyers."yes PMS the truly important life sustaining things have been nearly destroyed.
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Re: Steps to take
by TonyPrep » Fri 20 Jul 2007, 22:46:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') just have to say, I get tired of people saying "we have exceeded carrying capacity" when we don't know the carrying capacity. We KNOW we have exceeded the carrying capacity for living this way. We can estimate the carrying capacity based on other ways.
I'd tend to agree with you, Ludi. In terms of living a satisfying life, the earth can probably support the population it has now, and maybe more. However, that would take an unprecedented orderly transition from the way we live now.
In an unorderly transition, I would expect significant loss of life, globally.
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Re: Steps to take
by TonyPrep » Fri 20 Jul 2007, 22:56:45
Organic Farming Can Feed the World
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')esearchers from the University of Michigan found that in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods, said Ivette Perfecto, professor at U-M's School of Natural Resources and Environment
I feel sure that productivity could increase further, if bio-intensive methods were used.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')esearchers from the University of Michigan found that in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods, said Ivette Perfecto, professor at U-M's School of Natural Resources and Environment
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Re: Steps to take
by Pops » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 14:59:02
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t does seem like a death cult, doesn't it? Personally, I have no idea what the carrying capacity of the US is.
I have no idea of the caring capacity of the earth in a post oil world and really I don’t give a crap about anyone’s expert opinion since they have no more idea of the political and economic events of the future than me.
I do know some about the US though, and the reason we grow food as we do is because it is the most profitable in the current environment.
There are tens of thousands of small farms gone to scrub because they could not compete in that cheap energy and infrastructure environment. Knock out the support of cheap energy and those farms will once again become viable, in fact, they have just had the benefit of 50 or more years of lying fallow.
Certainly there are areas now in the Southwest and perhaps both coasts that cannot support their current high-density population without cheap transport. But I would bet a dollar (and I never bet more than a dollar) that given a sufficient rise in energy price before widespread shortage, there would be profit in a small operation.
I am barely hanging on with one such little place today; my hope is my grandkids will do fine here.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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