[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Dude, we are talking about healthcare dont we? Not a quality of life right? Becouse if you want to talk about quality of life in countries with free healthcare , you'd probably should mention Switzeland and Norway, as USA didnt even sit anywhere near these countries qualityoflife-wise.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')Oh no, the Evil Empire is down at the bottom of the list of industrialized countries. And on a total scale I'm sure there are nonindustrialized countries with better stats.

PlantedAgent is probably being paid by the post to come up with his stuff.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') don't call 3-hour speeches sybaritic.

[Rafa]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'F')orbes estimates Fidel Castro's personal fortune,

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ')And, our taxes are much lower then in the EU.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')Thats very convinient to compare a top tax charges here and there, and forget that SS, Medicare , state taxes and other bullshits are paid apart from it and not even tax-deductible.

[Licho]

Here you have mandatory "tax" of 13.5% of net income. This goes to health insurance.

There are several insurance companies and you can pick one of them, but services differ only in extra bonuses (free hormonal contraception, free additional preventive checks or vaccianation(against flu etc), free supplements, free spa etc).

For all people service is equal (doesnt metter they contributed 0 or 10 millions into the healthcare, nobody cares and there is no way for doctors to check this).

All visits at doctor, stays in hospital or diagnostic services are free.

All basic drugs are free, but you can choose better variant than the default (for example the variant with smaller side effects) and pay difference between the cost of default drug and your extra.

From my personal experience it works well. It seems to be a bit wasty sometimes.
For example some people simply like to stay at hospital (with free meals and housing) and pretend to be ill. Sometimes very expensive high tech tools are bought by hospitals which are only usefull for extremely rare conditions.
And doctors have small wages.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')Thats very convinient to compare a top tax charges here and there, and forget that SS, Medicare , state taxes and other bullshits are paid apart from it and not even tax-deductible.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')Thats very convinient to compare a top tax charges here and there, and forget that SS, Medicare , state taxes and other bullshits are paid apart from it and not even tax-deductible.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Licho', 'H')ere you have mandatory "tax" of 13.5% of net income. This goes to health insurance.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Licho', 'H')ere you have mandatory "tax" of 13.5% of net income. This goes to health insurance.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ') your inability to imagine that outside of USA one doesnt have to bend over to afford health insurance. Thats all he pays, those 13.5%. All federal, state, city, SS, Medicare and whatever else crap combined.

[pea-jay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Here is an example of a normal 37-day long hospital stay, enjoy:

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ') your inability to imagine that outside of USA one doesnt have to bend over to afford health insurance. Thats all he pays, those 13.5%. All federal, state, city, SS, Medicare and whatever else crap combined.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')I am from Europe, ok? And lived there for many, many years.

[Plantagenet]

There is no doubt that health care is very expensive in the U.S.

Thats why the great majority of people in the US have health insurance. Its very risky not to be insured.

Someone in my family just had major surgery.....the quality of the hospital care was great but it cost $60,000. However, it cost them nothing....it was free. The health insurance they had through their job covered every penny of the cost.

[Plantagenet]

Norweigians express hatred for their high taxes

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local ... 891543.ece

"Free" medical care and other social services in the EU aren't really free. They are funded with much higher and much more regressive taxes then we have in the USA. People complain about a 4-8% sales tax in the US, but in Norway the 25% VAT tax is like a sales tax, but it applies on virtually everything you buy or every service you get in Norway. Then there are a myriad of other personal income taxes, fees, charges, etc.

[I_Like_Plants]

Just ignore PlantedAgent. Members of the hereditary owning class tend to brag about their special perks like everyone has them, and trust me, what the Czars got will be too good for them come the Revolution.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'J')ust ignore PlantedAgent. Members of the hereditary owning class tend to brag about their special perks like everyone has them, and trust me, what the Czars got will be too good for them come the Revolution.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'J')ust ignore PlantedAgent. Members of the hereditary owning class tend to brag about their special perks like everyone has them, and trust me, what the Czars got will be too good for them come the Revolution.