[vision-master]

More bad OIL news.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il reserves are running out even faster than previously predicted.

For the last 30 years they have said oil reserves are not in crisis now in a massive u-turn, the International Energy Agency says demand driven by exponential growth will outstrip supply within 3 to 5 years.

The report makes depressing reading with worldwide oil consumption expected to increase from 86 to 95 billion barrels a day, current oil supplies simply will not be able to satisfy demand from a world economy expanding by nearly 5 percent a year when production starts to tails off from 2010.

Now it costs almost US $70 US dollars a barrel and industry experts say that will keep rising.

“We think that it will increase up to 80, 90 maybe 100 US dollars a barrel within the next year".

“If oil goes up, food goes up everything in society goes up basically because oil is such a key component of the way we live and the way we do our business.”

[thuja]

You want to see denial- check out this web site-

http://www.marylandgasprices.com/Price_ ... x?state=MD

Then click on the message forums- its a huge portal for threads about gasoline- so much denial...

That web site also tracks the price of gas to most stations throughout the country- fun to play with...

[NEOPO]

Look at the complete sheeple all you want but I think the efforts or lack thereof of most of those who proclaim to be peak aware shows the very real tail of the beast clinging to our collective backs...

"They had alot to say, they had alot of NOTHING to say, we shall miss them, we're gonna miss them" Tool

One does not have to look anywhere else but here to see denial or perhaps by gazing into a mirror...

[DantesPeak]

Those that keep pointing to “high” crude inventories are ignoring these important things

1. Total commercial oil plus oil product inventories are down year over year
2. US inventories may not be indicative of the rest of the world
3. Almost 20 million barrels more in US crude stocks (year over year) is less than one day’s increase in terms of days of US supply.
4. Current inventories tell us nothing about future supplies

Attacks against PO sound more and more desperate, empty, and shrill as time goes on.

[rdberg1957]

Denial is predictable. Social psychology theories abound which predict nearly impenetrable denial due to extreme cognitive dissonance. The vast majority of the US citizenry is highly committed to a petrol based life. This started after WWII and is deeply ingrained. It is a commonplace that people will adhere to beliefs toward which they are strongly invested and reject contrary evidence which imply that a change in their direction is required. Many people will not change their minds until the SHTF. Many of us here will not change our ways until the SHTF. Rob Berger, Licensed Psychologist.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '"')They had alot to say, they had alot of NOTHING to say, we shall miss them, we're gonna miss them" Tool

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'D')enial is predictable. Social psychology theories abound which predict nearly impenetrable denial due to extreme cognitive dissonance. The vast majority of the US citizenry is highly committed to a petrol based life. This started after WWII and is deeply ingrained. It is a commonplace that people will adhere to beliefs toward which they are strongly invested and reject contrary evidence which imply that a change in their direction is required. Many people will not change their minds until the SHTF. Many of us here will not change our ways until the SHTF. Rob Berger, Licensed Psychologist.

[syrac818]

Eh...I kind of liked the reply. I mean, no disrespect to the original poster.

Peak oil is a reality, no doubt. I am certainly not in denial. But, after visiting this site for years, the general vibe of the peak oil folks has gotten pretty tired.

The world is running out of oil, doom is upon us, we will all be eating cat food if we're lucky.... and that's where it stops. Nothing beyond that.

"Just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", "Will our future be like Mad Max, or worse?", "The end is nigh", "TSHTF very soon", "The Great Depression will look like a day at Disneyworld", "The sheeple will be the first to go"...

I mean, I must've read these posts and articles well over 400 times, and nothing changes. If you were to compare this forum four years ago to this forum now, there would be very little difference. I get the doom part, we all get the doom part, but what is the next step?


Meanwhile there really is a lot of interesting, progressive things going on with new sources of energy. There are people not just thinking, but actually creating some remarkable, realistic alternatives. I read Green Car Congress every day, and I'm just amazed at how fast things have progressed on this front in just 2-3 years. I know very well there is no magical overnight cure, and there is no seemless transition, but there is possibility. People are looking at the reality of peak oil, and saying "Ok, what do we need to do to meet this challenge?". It's as if everyday there is something new, while everyday here is more of the same. I mean, at the very least, I expect to see some gloating from those of us who have made some nice cash on our oil/energy holdings bought back in '04.

Just my opinion.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', 'E')h...I kind of liked the reply. I mean, no disrespect to the original poster.

Peak oil is a reality, no doubt. I am certainly not in denial. But, after visiting this site for years, the general vibe of the peak oil folks has gotten pretty tired.

The world is running out of oil, doom is upon us, we will all be eating cat food if we're lucky.... and that's where it stops. Nothing beyond that.

"Just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", "Will our future be like Mad Max, or worse?", "The end is nigh", "TSHTF very soon", "The Great Depression will look like a day at Disneyworld", "The sheeple will be the first to go"...

I mean, I must've read these posts and articles well over 400 times, and nothing changes. If you were to compare this forum four years ago to this forum now, there would be very little difference. I get the doom part, we all get the doom part, but what is the next step?


Meanwhile there really is a lot of interesting, progressive things going on with new sources of energy. There are people not just thinking, but actually creating some remarkable, realistic alternatives. I read Green Car Congress every day, and I'm just amazed at how fast things have progressed on this front in just 2-3 years. I know very well there is no magical overnight cure, and there is no seemless transition, but there is possibility. People are looking at the reality of peak oil, and saying "Ok, what do we need to do to meet this challenge?". It's as if everyday there is something new, while everyday here is more of the same. I mean, at the very least, I expect to see some gloating from those of us who have made some nice cash on our oil/energy holdings bought back in '04.

Just my opinion.

[Jellric]

Not hard to believe from a public whose President after 9/11 advises a public looking to sacrifice, "Go shopping."

In the State of the Union he solemly informs the people, "America is addicted to oil."

So where are the 12-step programs??

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', 'I') mean, I must've read these posts and articles well over 400 times, and nothing changes. If you were to compare this forum four years ago to this forum now, there would be very little difference. I get the doom part, we all get the doom part, but what is the next step?

[evilgenius]

Yeah, I haven't been entirely comfortable with the denial on this site when it comes to alt energy. My dad grew up on a homestead in the mountains of Colorado during the great depression. The family had a turbine in the nearby stream. That far off of a non-existent grid and during the toughest times they had enough power for lights and a boost to cooking and heat. Granted it was a little boost but it meant the essential difference sometimes. Clearly it wasn't the turbine alone but the ingenuity that really served to close the gap.

If you think about it, if TSHTF you can build a wind generator from a few essentials like car alternaters, metal rods (like allthread), car batteries, jerry rigged blades, rv inverters and several feet of cable. Most of that stuff is surplus car parts. All of it would be readily available after the worst. What you really need to worry about is what you can't get, like salt and antibiotics. For those you need society.

Simply put, the best investment in society, to survive after the peak is the truth. Without a certain level of truth democratic societies will have a problem when it comes to resource allocation post peak. We don't have the kind of hoarding based industrial system that the Soviets did. When the Soviet Union collapsed there was a lot of stuff around that people could just appropriate. Just in time inventory management limits the reactions that the people in a modern democracy have to choose from. It doesn't have to limit them to the point of failure.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')f you think about it, if TSHTF you can build a wind generator from a few essentials like car alternaters, metal rods (like allthread), car batteries, jerry rigged blades, rv inverters and several feet of cable. Most of that stuff is surplus car parts. All of it would be readily available after the worst.

[keehah]

On PeakOil.com: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world is running out of oil, doom is upon us, we will all be eating cat food if we're lucky.... and that's where it stops. Nothing beyond that.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', '
')Peak oil is a reality, no doubt. I am certainly not in denial. But, after visiting this site for years, the general vibe of the peak oil folks has gotten pretty tired.

The world is running out of oil, doom is upon us, we will all be eating cat food if we're lucky.... and that's where it stops. Nothing beyond that.

"Just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", "Will our future be like Mad Max, or worse?", "The end is nigh", "TSHTF very soon", "The Great Depression will look like a day at Disneyworld", "The sheeple will be the first to go"...

I mean, I must've read these posts and articles well over 400 times, and nothing changes. If you were to compare this forum four years ago to this forum now, there would be very little difference. I get the doom part, we all get the doom part, but what is the next step?


Meanwhile there really is a lot of interesting, progressive things going on with new sources of energy. There are people not just thinking, but actually creating some remarkable, realistic alternatives. I read Green Car Congress every day, and I'm just amazed at how fast things have progressed on this front in just 2-3 years. I know very well there is no magical overnight cure, and there is no seemless transition, but there is possibility. People are looking at the reality of peak oil, and saying "Ok, what do we need to do to meet this challenge?".

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')f you think about it, if TSHTF you can build a wind generator from a few essentials like car alternaters, metal rods (like allthread), car batteries, jerry rigged blades, rv inverters and several feet of cable. Most of that stuff is surplus car parts. All of it would be readily available after the worst.

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'D')enial is predictable. Social psychology theories abound which predict nearly impenetrable denial due to extreme cognitive dissonance. The vast majority of the US citizenry is highly committed to a petrol based life. This started after WWII and is deeply ingrained. It is a commonplace that people will adhere to beliefs toward which they are strongly invested and reject contrary evidence which imply that a change in their direction is required. Many people will not change their minds until the SHTF. Many of us here will not change our ways until the SHTF. Rob Berger, Licensed Psychologist.

[TheDude]

So who is deluded here, the populace that refuses to believe the oil won't be here someday, or the Doomers who insist it'll be gone tomorrow and we'll wind up eating cat food etc.?

Like thuja says there's a rainbow of shades of Doom. I like how the links at the Oil Drum to PO primers are laid out:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak Oil Primers

* Wikipedia (Defcon 5)
* Energy Bulletin (Defcon 4)
* peakoil.com (Defcon 3)
* Robert Rapier (Defcon 3)
* Saintbryan (Defcon 2)
* James Kunstler (Defcon 1)
* Matt Savinar (Defcon 1)

[BrownDog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')f you think about it, if TSHTF you can build a wind generator from a few essentials like car alternaters, metal rods (like allthread), car batteries, jerry rigged blades, rv inverters and several feet of cable. Most of that stuff is surplus car parts. All of it would be readily available after the worst.