[Leanan]

The man is an idiot, and has been writing about peak oil regularly at WingNut Daily. Usually arguing that there couldn't possible be enough dinosaurs to produce all the oil we have today. Or that dinosaurs couldn't have walked on the bottom of the ocean, where deepwater platforms are producing oil. Therefore, oil must be abiotic in origin.

[Novus]

Oh yeah and global warming is a hoax too. Where do they get these morons from.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'O')h yeah and global warming is a hoax too. Where do they get these morons from.

[waegari]

And then this nonsense (from the same article):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The 1970s scientific study known as Hubbert's Peak, predicting we would exhaust oil reserves by 2003, has been proven false.

[crude_intentions]

Of Course Oil Did'nt come from Dinosaurs! As Every God fearing Christian-Republican KNOWS!! the earth is only 6000 years old and that Dinosaurs fossils were planted by satan to fool us into believing in the Satanic-Islamic-Liberal conspircy that is Evolution. Yes, Praise the Lord My brothers for he has provided us with an abundant everflowing Eternal source of Energy called OIL!

[ivuernis]

Until such time as we can definitively say we have passed the peak with irrefutable data there will always be hacks like these who will say otherwise.

Personally, I'd rather be called a pessimist/crazy/doomer now and be told post-peak:

"you know we all thought you were crazy when you were on about the peak oil stuff the last few years but now we realize you were right all along"

than one of these guys who will have egg in their face instead and maybe/hopefully a bloodied noises as well!

[OilIsMastery]

"Titan, a moon of Saturn, has methane and ethane (CH4 and C2H6) and several other hydrocarbon molecules in its atmosphere." -- Thomas Gold, The Deep Hot Biosphere

Therefore petroleum like all hydrocarbons is abiotic. There is far more oil in the Earth than 4 trillion barrels. Oil is the blood of the Earth.

The scientific fact that oil is abiotic in origin has nothing to do with the fact that world oil production has currently peaked at 85 million barrels per day.

[TheDude]

Oil breaks down at the temperatures you find below 15,000 feet. We see no replenishment of wells - ever look at production curves for old wells? Eugene Island was reassessed after it had declined - "reserve growth," you know - and has declined since in typical fashion.

Abiotic oil is an interesting theory but economically useless, which you'd know if you'd read this thread or others on this forum, or other documents easily available on the web.

There are clouds of methane in interstellar space far larger than the solar system, too. Huh.

I read that if there were abiotic replenishment of oil we'd see the equivalent of something like 40 tanker spills a day.

[Armageddon]

The earth does indeed produce oil. The only problem is that it took billions of years to create what we are currently using, and it will take billions more years to replenish what we have used in the past 150 years. Do you see a problem with that ?

[larry00]

Well the Earth cooking the oil to make crude but what about the ocean of Ethane , Methane , found on one of Saturn's moons.

I agree how can oil be found 6 1/2 miles down in the Gulf of Mexico.
Two places I believe using expensive ceramic drilling equipment and very expensive technology's .
If it's that hot the oil should self ignite when combined with oxy.

I do know of a vent of light light crude that has pumped a large amount of gaseous light crude for over thirty years and shows no sign of reduced pressure.
Drill 200 ft. away and its a dry hole.
Thats been done to different debts three times in different directions.
Drillers used to just shake their heads but I hear the only explanation is a rift or crack from very deep coming towards the surface to allow drilling a one hole well.
I did geology in New Mexico and everyone has now accepted that hydrocarbons helped form Big Caverns like Carlsbad millions of years ago it leached into the reefs from below and helped dissolve the limestone before the uplift occurred.

There is evidence both directions on oil but I would like to see the evidence of this hydrocarbons at 6 1/2 miles down.

That would indicate to me that the crust might be floating on it.

As far as Global Warming sure it exists just like the Yellowstone's old faithful blows off regularly the earth throughout history has got hotter or colder in cycles.
One thing Al Gores inconvenient truth got wrong was that CO2 gas makes the earth warmer .
It's just the opposite, the water warms and releases 10,000 times more CO2 in one year than man can generate in a year.

Face it we can't top mother nature.

Also Methane is 6 times worse than CO2 but I fail to find anyone wanting to quit eating meat products except the vegans.

You want to jump on a environmental bandwagon then it has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that man is polluting his fresh water in 3/4 of the world.
Deforestation is doing god awful damage to the rain forests and there are groups needing help to save them.
Thats real and proven.
I have seen waters cleaned up in this country over the last twenty years and we have made a new industry all because we had the economy to make the changes without killing industries.

I must say that with the supreme court ruling CO2 the very thing we exhale is a pollutant how long before some crazes [ I already know of some ] say we need to get rid of a billion or three peoples and we are being set up for either astronomical energy bills or cuts in production.
No energy producer is going to keep getting fines for more than he takes in that would bankrupt him.
Autos: At a time when they are about to go under Congress first says we have to use a fuel [ Ethanol ] which is less efficient [ 22 to 28 percent ] in equal measures with gasoline , causing worse gas mileage while mandating cafe gas mileage raises.

This increase will make cars less safer and more costly as they will have to convert to 32 volt electrical system to power such things as air conditioning , brakes , steering.
In the long term Battery powered hybrids are more costly to the environment and to those who buy them.
I not going into what Ethanol is doing to Milk and Food prices , its starting to get ink finally.
I also won't get into storage and transportation of Ethanol or the fact that it takes 3 to four gallons of fresh water to produce 1 gallon of Ethanol at a time when fresh water is becoming a problem in some areas.
I agree I am full of it and our efforts to live a cleaner lifestyle shouldn't cause more problems than they prevent.
Like the credit card commercial guy says , PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME !

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('larry00', ' ')
Thats real and proven.
I have seen waters cleaned up in this country over the last twenty years and we have made a new industry all because we had the economy to make the changes without killing industries.

[OilIsMastery]

There hasn't been enough biology alive in the history of the world to produce the amount of abiogenic petroleum in Athabasca Canada.

Also Russian and American physicists have independently discovered and verified through peer review that hydrocarbons on Titan aka Saturn VI are abiogenic in origin.