[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he hijacked planes didn't fly at 30,000 feet. That is disinformation spread by conspiracy advocates. In actuality, the hijackers flew the hijacked jets at lower elevations to try to avoid radar.

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'C')ell phone call made from the summit of Mt. Everest
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32155/145/
Psst----Don't tell the conspiracy nuts, but the summit of Mt. Everest is at 29,000 feet.

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'C')ell phone reception at 21 km altitude over Switzerland (thats more than 63,000 feet for you math-challenged conspiracy types.....and 63,000+ feet is more than twice as high as the 30,000 feet called "impossible" by the conspiracy pushers)
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/feature/de ... 2528169000

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'B')ack to the subject, please.
HOW FAR CAN A CELL PHONE WORK?
The maximum range of a site (where it is not limited by interference with other sites nearby) depends on the same circumstances. Some technologies, such as GSM, have a fixed maximum range of 25 miles (40 km), which is imposed by technical limitations. CDMA and iDEN have no built-in limit, but the limiting factor is really the ability for a low-powered personal cell phone to transmit back to the cell site. As a rough guide, based on a tall site and flat terrain, it is possible to get between 30 to 45 miles (50-70 km).

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'C')an I get a truther....any truther....to admit one thing?
There should be no debate about AIRPHONES ... millions and millions of calls have been made from planes to ground via Airphones.
Can we agree on that?
YES...then the validity of the 9/11 calls made from the hijacked planes via AIRPHONE are therefore beyond dispute, right?
CHEERS!

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'T')otally reasonable. When a story no longer fits, just change the story. What would you do?

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')i]How fast do radio waves from cell phones travel?
--at the speed of light
Do jets go fast enough to cause delays or otherwise affect the transmission of radio waves from cell phones?
--No. The speed of the jet is too small to have effect on the radio waves.

[Armageddon]

Plantagenet, you lose on every account. You have been defeated on this thread badly. You need a new hobby. Stick with peak oil and maybe someday you will be able to connect the dots and tie 911 with peak oil. It's very obvious.

[patrick_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'H')ow about wireless internet on planes?

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patrick_b', '
')
No, sorry. No entirely.

1) Cell phone do NOT work from commercial airplanes at their cruise altitude and speed. This is the reason why new technology is being developped to embed a cell phone cell in planes.
2) Airphones do work from airplanes.

Most of the alleged phone calls were made from flight 93. But there is no evidence that this flight actually crashed in Shanksville... A 30 feet wide hole in the ground, a broken tree and a few pounds of debris scattered over the place is no evidence of an airplane crash.
An airplane crash always results in dozens of tons of debris, most of which can be easily recognized even on low quality pictures...
The whole flight 93 story, the crash in Shanksville, "Let's roll", Todd Beamer, the cell phone calls, etc... is nothing but a big pack of lies.

[Carlhole]

The subject of Flight 93's cell phone calls arose in the Moussaoui trial. The government backed off of it's claim that 9 or 10 cell phone calls successfully connected and lasted for at least a few seconds and as long as several minutes.

It was largely due to all the objections about cell calls being virtually impossible from altitudes above about 8,000 feet. Calls from altitudes up to 8,000 feet are possible but highly improbable.
So the government lawyers only admitted the last two calls into evidence presumably because these took place just before the crash when the plane was lower than about 5,000 feet.

It was a implied acknowledgement by the government of the impossibility of this aspect of the official story.

The cell phone records for all the calls in question are still classified and unavailable to independent investigators.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patrick_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')i]How fast do radio waves from cell phones travel?
--at the speed of light
Do jets go fast enough to cause delays or otherwise affect the transmission of radio waves from cell phones?
--No. The speed of the jet is too small to have effect on the radio waves.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
The fact that the radio signal from cell phones travels at the speed of light means that there are NO effects from the velocity of the plane on the radio signal. As far as the receiver goes, it doesn't matter if the signal comes from a plane 20 miles away going 500 mph or a car 20 miles away going 50 mph.

Your concern about the speed of switching is also misplaced. Computers can operate very very quickly....if your computer is running Windows then it is handicapped by the microsoft operating system and runs a bit slower then other computers.

[Plantagenet]

The Airphone calls from the hijacked planes are in the public record. The Airphone company can even tell exactly which airphones were used (it was the ones in the back of the planes, where the passengers were herded by the hijackers.

As far as the speed of connection of cell phones, you said it would take seconds. So do the math, if you can. A standard 2001 GSM cell phone has a range of 30+ miles. The planes were travelling at ca. 400-500 mph. That means a cell phone on a low flying hijacked plane could ideally talk to the same cell phone tower for 5+ minutes. That is much much much more time then the few seconds needed (and which you wrongly claim were unavailable) to allow a cell phone on a plane to connect to a cell tower.

CHEERS!

[Specop_007]

Through the years I've had some pretty nice stereo systems in my car. You know, not those bullshit "check the box" options but real aftermarket stereo systems. The last one I had to take out when we sold the car.

You know, I kinda miss my systems. It really made the drive around town when I had to go somewhere a bit more relaxing.

[emersonbiggins]

I hear that. I had one of the first mp3 decks to come out back in 2001 (Kenwood Excelon) that I dropped 500 big ones on, only to have it stolen (along with all the rest of my shit) a week later.

Let's see if I can remember my setup:

1 - Alpine 5-ch amp, 100Wx4, 120WxSubwoofer
1 - JL Audio 12" Subwoofer in a generic box
4 - Cerwin Vega 4x6 speakers, 2 in the door, 2 in the rear

That's about it. It wasn't the prettiest setup, or the most professional, but it damn sure got the job done. After it was stolen, I was a little more careful about what I bought - just the basics.

All in all, I'm sure I'll regret going deaf at 70, but those are the breaks.

[smallpoxgirl]

Been drooling over one of these personally:
link

[Tyler_JC]

The trick is to keep your car extremely dirty at all times.

No one bothers to look for expensive audio systems in dirty cars.

Or at least that's what I'm using as my security system...

[emersonbiggins]

Illegally dark tinted windows help as well - keeps them guessing...

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')hrough the years I've had some pretty nice stereo systems in my car. You know, not those bullshit "check the box" options but real aftermarket stereo systems. The last one I had to take out when we sold the car.

You know, I kinda miss my systems. It really made the drive around town when I had to go somewhere a bit more relaxing.