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THE Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Thread (merged)

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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby MD » Mon 19 Mar 2007, 06:24:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'W')hat surprises me is that fundamentalist Christians haven't jumped on this one. Speaking of "the mark of the beast or the number of (your) name, without which (you) are unable to buy or sell," if this isn't it, nothing else even comes close...

They have "jumped on this one" and have seen it coming for many years. I first heard this proposed in 1978.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 19 Mar 2007, 12:22:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'W')hat I'm wondering, about implanting them in patients - why do we need this when we have the electronic health record? With the EHR, all medical staff need to have when a patient enters the hospital system is a name and birth date, and ALL of the patient's medical documentation is available on computer, every lab test, x-ray, history and operative report. Why do we need RFID to treat patients? Even if they're unconscious, they're likely to have a wallet with ID on their person when they're transported to hospital.

Well, for one thing EHR's are facility specific. They generally only have records from the treatment that you get from that hospital. If more than one hospital in an area is owned by a certain corporation, then those hospitals might share their EMR. In theory I guess pretty much anybody could get mugged, get their wallet stolen, get hit over the head and left unconscious on the sidewalk. I can't imagine it being very widely accepted.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 19 Mar 2007, 18:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', ']')If it comes to "take the implant or leave the system", I will exit the system. I won't be alone.

+1. Nope, you certainly won't be alone. I think that if our society were not to get hit by PO, in 10 years privacy would be as extinct as a dodo.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby Bas » Mon 19 Mar 2007, 19:01:44

there is a simple principle, the principle of split databases that can prevent abuse; in this case for instance, I would propose they would only record necessary medical information in the chip and not other personal information. Also it should be arranged that only hospitals have the equipment to read it and not third parties. Still some ingenius hacker criminal/secret service could always find a way around those security measure and potentially abuse the system, so in the end I'm against it. Also it is scary enough that "they" are embedding these chips in more and more products and also in normal ID cards already, and where will it end?

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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby azreal60 » Mon 19 Mar 2007, 19:14:27

These guys are kidding right? I mean, this is just asking to be sued. If someone implanted something in my body without my consent, I'd freaking own that hospital by the end of the month.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 20 Mar 2007, 00:54:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'T')hese guys are kidding right? I mean, this is just asking to be sued. If someone implanted something in my body without my consent, I'd freaking own that hospital by the end of the month.


You see paimei01's link? How would you even know if it were in you? Imagine the side effects of having RFID(plastic?) powder inside your body LOL.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 20 Mar 2007, 00:56:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'T')hese guys are kidding right? I mean, this is just asking to be sued. If someone implanted something in my body without my consent, I'd freaking own that hospital by the end of the month.

The hospital are not chipping their patients without consent. The press release was that they got chip scanners, so they can read the chips if patients have them. I'd be ready to call a lawyer if somebody chipped my dog without my consent, much less say chipping me.
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Re: 500+ Hospitals Have Agreed to Adopt RFID Implant Equipme

Unread postby paimei01 » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 19:41:57

link COLOR PHOTO that records image and height and is digitized on a convenient CD that can be easily circulated by police to the media and distributed across the State within an hour via Illinois’ Amber Alert Program:
DNA SAMPLE taken through a saliva cheek swab is the latest tool in the scientific arsenal to make positive ID’s of lost children.
FINGERPRINTS are the oldest form of positive
identification since they are unique to every person.
RECORDED INTERVIEW captures on the same CD as the picture the appearance, speech patterns, personal characteristics, and mannerisms for easy media distribution.
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"Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby jdumars » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 22:37:21

I had a meeting this afternoon with one of the major systems architects for federal emergency management. In the conversation, it came up about the MCI (mass casualty incident) program that is to be enacted during a major terrorist attack. Essentially, anyone injured during such an event will be implanted with an RFID chip involuntarily during the intake process! :O This will allow everyone to be tracked during the duration of the incident...

This is not tinfoil hat stuff, folks. This is from the guy who built the underlying data infrastructure that supports the program.
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 12:44:26

And if the people are exposed to a biological, chemical, or radiological weapons, they had better be tracked and kept away from the general public until they are decontaminated!

I don't want 50,000 New Yorkers covered in uranium dust or infected with small pox to sneak out of the isolation zones and go home to their families after a terrorist attack.:shock:

It's not a conspiracy to enslave the population, it's common sense.
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 13:01:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')nd if the people are exposed to a biological, chemical, or radiological weapons, they had better be tracked and kept away from the general public until they are decontaminated! I don't want 50,000 New Yorkers covered in uranium dust or infected with small pox to sneak out of the isolation zones and go home to their families after a terrorist attack.:shock: It's not a conspiracy to enslave the population, it's common sense.

This wasn't required in TB outbreaks, in the past. There is no need to implement it, other than to get the general population used to the notion, so it can eventually be implemented on a broader scale for reasons other than pure emergency.
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby dukey » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 13:14:40

My only question is, so when is the government unleashing the biological or terrorist threat ?

And how do we escape the fema death camps :p
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 00:22:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') don't want 50,000 New Yorkers covered in uranium dust or infected with small pox to sneak out of the isolation zones and go home to their families after a terrorist attack.:shock:

But Mother Earth does!! :)
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby killJOY » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 17:17:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not a conspiracy to enslave the population, it's common sense.

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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 17:33:45

That would be great...having areas of NYC or LA cordoned off and have all the sick/irradiated milling around their urban hell. You know, minus the sickness/radiation, milling around an urban hell is like day to day life...

Anyway, while I wouldn't be thrilled about having these people disperse, quarantining the population leaves too much power in the hands of the government. Soon, I will be joining the Jesuits, commuting to Fordham University in the Bronx (NYC) for college, or both. I really would not want to be detained by some pesky bureaucrat and his goon squad (police) because some Turk came and infected people with smallpox or blew up a small explosive with about 100 grams of nuclear material.
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Re: "Mass casualty incident" + RFID = oh crap!

Unread postby gg3 » Mon 09 Jul 2007, 07:43:31

Just another good reason to get the hell out of those places.

Question is, where are the chips going to be implanted, and what types of chips, and from what distance can they be read?

There's a difference between a chip that can be read from a foot away, and one that can be read from a satellite.

Not to say I approve of any of this, in fact I intend to be far enough away that if anyone wants to stick a chip in me they will have to find me first and that will not be easy.

BTW, just one more reason to impeach Cheney and then begin proceedings against Bush such that they can be activated later if he tries anything screwy.
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