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World War 3
Re: World War 3
by smallpoxgirl » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 12:20:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'T')he global Resource Wars began when BushCo unleashed "shock and awe" on Iraq. They will intensify and continue for a long while to come.
Got to disagree with you here Turtle. The US has been continuously at war with Iraq since 1991. We were dropping bombs on them all through the Clinton years. I agree though, that it is essentially a resource war and won't end as long as the US continues to exist as a recognizable country.
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Re: World War 3
by joshua » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 16:47:20
Uh, on the subject of pearl harbor:
1- Japan was ANYTHING but a smaller, weaker nation, At the time of pearl, japan had been occupying korea for several decades, effectively having annexed it and large parts off china. They had something like the third or fourth largest navy, (we we something like 10th in naval power, 29th in military overall) and their aircraft were more than a decade in advance of our own. The population of Japan was over a hundred million (had been hovering around that for several centuries) where as we had just about reached a hundered twentyfive or a hundred fifty thereabouts.
There is this incredible myth that we just suddenly became a major military power the minute we won independence from england. In fact, we were a minor military power until after ww2. Our major place in the world was an agricultural power, or later, a manufacturing one.
Getteth thee thy facts straight.
1- Japan was ANYTHING but a smaller, weaker nation, At the time of pearl, japan had been occupying korea for several decades, effectively having annexed it and large parts off china. They had something like the third or fourth largest navy, (we we something like 10th in naval power, 29th in military overall) and their aircraft were more than a decade in advance of our own. The population of Japan was over a hundred million (had been hovering around that for several centuries) where as we had just about reached a hundered twentyfive or a hundred fifty thereabouts.
There is this incredible myth that we just suddenly became a major military power the minute we won independence from england. In fact, we were a minor military power until after ww2. Our major place in the world was an agricultural power, or later, a manufacturing one.
Getteth thee thy facts straight.
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Re: World War 3
by Tanada » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 18:05:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joshua', 'U')h, on the subject of pearl harbor:
1- Japan was ANYTHING but a smaller, weaker nation, At the time of pearl, japan had been occupying korea for several decades, effectively having annexed it and large parts off china. They had something like the third or fourth largest navy, (we we something like 10th in naval power, 29th in military overall) and their aircraft were more than a decade in advance of our own. The population of Japan was over a hundred million (had been hovering around that for several centuries) where as we had just about reached a hundered twentyfive or a hundred fifty thereabouts.
There is this incredible myth that we just suddenly became a major military power the minute we won independence from england. In fact, we were a minor military power until after ww2. Our major place in the world was an agricultural power, or later, a manufacturing one.
Getteth thee thy facts straight.
1- Japan was ANYTHING but a smaller, weaker nation, At the time of pearl, japan had been occupying korea for several decades, effectively having annexed it and large parts off china. They had something like the third or fourth largest navy, (we we something like 10th in naval power, 29th in military overall) and their aircraft were more than a decade in advance of our own. The population of Japan was over a hundred million (had been hovering around that for several centuries) where as we had just about reached a hundered twentyfive or a hundred fifty thereabouts.
There is this incredible myth that we just suddenly became a major military power the minute we won independence from england. In fact, we were a minor military power until after ww2. Our major place in the world was an agricultural power, or later, a manufacturing one.
Getteth thee thy facts straight.
Good advice in that last line my friend, Japan had the #3 navy at the time of Pearl Harbor, #1 was the UK and #2 was the USA and they effectively declared war on both in December 1941. BTW #4 was Italy and #5 was France with Germany bringing up the rear in terms of major powers as #6. Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Russia were all roughly equal in the #7 range.
Secondly according to this table Japanese census data Japan had a population of 72,218,000 in 1941, not the over 100 million you claimed above. Also their aircraft were at most 2 years in advance of ours which is proven by the fact that we were fielding better aircraft than they were within 2 years of Pearl Harbor.
We were a minor military power up until WW II because after every conflict up to that point the Congress reduced the size of the army down to a core of professional soldiers whose job in the event of war was to train a large field army and provide experienced non-com's and officers to lead it. It was only at the start of the Cold War that the USA decided to maintain a large standing army at all times.
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Re: World War 3
by kpeavey » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 20:29:00
http://www.unknownnews.org/070628-fd-28 ... adian.html
America, your president is about to launch World War III
by The Canadian
June 28, 2007
The facts:
1. Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRG) have been spotted by the British on at least three occasions crossing the southern Iran/Iraq border nearest Basra and deploying spec. troops. On the Iranian side are the bulk of Iran's Province of Khuzestan's oil fields. These oil fields would be prime targets in the event of a U.S.-led invasion. The IRG specialist troops have the task of attacking communications, command, control, and intelligence facilities, and causing general chaos in the event of war.
2. Iran has rationed fuel to its population causing riots and discontent which have been widely reported in world media.
3. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has dramatically escalated his socialist policies, and actually nationalized all of the Orinoco production facilities, where large US oil and gas companies have literally billions invested in infrastructure.
4. Hamas has taken over the Gaza strip.
5. Hez b'Allah have begun aggressively reasserting itself in Lebanon.
6. Syria has significantly bolstered its troops and moved these troops closer to the Golan Heights much as they did prior to war in '73 (Yom Kippur).
7. Turkey has massed more than 50,000 troops on the northern Iraq border against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). Note, however, that NW Iran borders SE Turkey.
8. The Arab Gulf States have openly declared they are preparing/prepared for a U.S./Iran conflict this Summer.
9. Significant U.S. politicians are openly advocating war with Iran. These war advocates are Republicans, however, no voice of dissent is being heard from the Democrats.
10. Anti-Iranian propaganda is in full-swing of late.
11. The largest naval armada assembled off the coast of Iran since the 2003 Iraq war commenced is assembled and waiting. A 4th US Carrier fleet will secure the Suez.
12. The US Strategic Petroleum Reserve is full.
13. Next round of U.N. sanctions are on the way.
14. Politicians on all sides of this conflict have a vested political interest in war as a means of political survival. They are all hard-liners.
15. Moscow has released nuclear fuel to Iran for the Bushehr reactor.
16. Israel has recently and successfully launched its Ofeq-7 spy imaging satellite which gives it a great view of Iran (amongst others).
Conclusion: War is close.
America, your president is about to launch World War III
by The Canadian
June 28, 2007
The facts:
1. Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRG) have been spotted by the British on at least three occasions crossing the southern Iran/Iraq border nearest Basra and deploying spec. troops. On the Iranian side are the bulk of Iran's Province of Khuzestan's oil fields. These oil fields would be prime targets in the event of a U.S.-led invasion. The IRG specialist troops have the task of attacking communications, command, control, and intelligence facilities, and causing general chaos in the event of war.
2. Iran has rationed fuel to its population causing riots and discontent which have been widely reported in world media.
3. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has dramatically escalated his socialist policies, and actually nationalized all of the Orinoco production facilities, where large US oil and gas companies have literally billions invested in infrastructure.
4. Hamas has taken over the Gaza strip.
5. Hez b'Allah have begun aggressively reasserting itself in Lebanon.
6. Syria has significantly bolstered its troops and moved these troops closer to the Golan Heights much as they did prior to war in '73 (Yom Kippur).
7. Turkey has massed more than 50,000 troops on the northern Iraq border against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). Note, however, that NW Iran borders SE Turkey.
8. The Arab Gulf States have openly declared they are preparing/prepared for a U.S./Iran conflict this Summer.
9. Significant U.S. politicians are openly advocating war with Iran. These war advocates are Republicans, however, no voice of dissent is being heard from the Democrats.
10. Anti-Iranian propaganda is in full-swing of late.
11. The largest naval armada assembled off the coast of Iran since the 2003 Iraq war commenced is assembled and waiting. A 4th US Carrier fleet will secure the Suez.
12. The US Strategic Petroleum Reserve is full.
13. Next round of U.N. sanctions are on the way.
14. Politicians on all sides of this conflict have a vested political interest in war as a means of political survival. They are all hard-liners.
15. Moscow has released nuclear fuel to Iran for the Bushehr reactor.
16. Israel has recently and successfully launched its Ofeq-7 spy imaging satellite which gives it a great view of Iran (amongst others).
Conclusion: War is close.
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Re: World War 3
by Zardoz » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:42:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'N')o, it won't be like the previous wars. There won't be vast armadas of ships or airplanes - nor will there be large armies.
I think we'll see many nations, each fighting different wars against diverse enemies, all at the same time. So in WWI and WWII there were distinct sides - that won't be the case in WWIII (IMO).
And, too, there will be terrorism. Lots of that.
The problem is, you can't fight that very effectively with nukes. Whom do you target? Some dusty village with a communal well and a couple goats? Or a city in some nation that has no distinct connection to the dusty village?
I think we'll see many nations, each fighting different wars against diverse enemies, all at the same time. So in WWI and WWII there were distinct sides - that won't be the case in WWIII (IMO).
And, too, there will be terrorism. Lots of that.
The problem is, you can't fight that very effectively with nukes. Whom do you target? Some dusty village with a communal well and a couple goats? Or a city in some nation that has no distinct connection to the dusty village?
Dead on. That's how it will be. Conflicts will break out everywhere as conditions worsen and things grow more desperate. It will be known as the era of the resource wars, and it will go on for decades.
And it will be non-nuclear. Nukes are counter-productive.
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