[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

The reality is that energy is everywhere. The reality is that with the hunt-and-peck of scientific inquiry of the last hundred ( or more to the point hundreds of thousands) of years we have established a body of understanding that doesn't require re-learning.The reality is that energy is in the very fabric of the earths orbit.

The reality is that Mr Simmons is a neo-con and closely tied to Bush and the Bush agenda. The reality is that absolutely nobody on this board KNOWS for SURE how much "oil" or energy resources are available...they only know what they READ...and if propaganda wasn't convincing it wouldn't work. Hitler called it "Social Engineering"

The reality is that Cuba has better health care than the U.S. without a fraction of the resources ...just a social contract and educated people.

They're are certain patterns in human interaction, activity and consumption that I find interesting that people who congregate around "peak oil" entertain and discuss - but some you are sold on something you read about - but have trouble admitting you don't actually "know" beyond the words of a banker and a few scattered enviornmentalists here and there..... who incidentally make good money off their websites and public talks.


Just felt like saying that.

[Olle]

Hmmm, this is true for everything. You have to chose what you believe in. Who's arguments are best? If you in the absence of 100% perfect knowledge chose to believe in nothing, is that a good choise?

Are you one of those post modernists?

[mididoctors]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', 'T')he reality is that energy is everywhere. The reality is that with the hunt-and-peck of scientific inquiry of the last hundred ( or more to the point hundreds of thousands) of years we have established a body of understanding that doesn't require re-learning.The reality is that energy is in the very fabric of the earths orbit.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he reality is that Mr Simmons is a neo-con

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', '
')The reality is that Cuba has better health care than the U.S. without a fraction of the resources ...just a social contract and educated people.

[mark]

Depends on your definition of “know.”

Strictly speaking, none of us “know” anything outside our present “now.”

But that wouldn’t be much of a life now would it, restricted only to knowledge of the “now.”

So we mostly do the best we can, with imperfect knowledge and a realization that life forces compromises. It’s learning that we often mean when we use the word “know,” and learning is where we place our faith.

I tell my skeptic friends that I only know one thing, that the rest is just filler. But, from that one thing I can learn, and what I’ve learned of our energy predicament … well.

Since history does not repeat, but instead rhymes, most humans, not being very good musicians, fail to learn the lessons of history. So we foolishly commit the same errors of judgment over and over, again and again.

So we will this time.

Most of us would agree that this marvelous civilization has been built on the back of fossil fuels. Does it follow that if fossil fuels are taken away from us, our marvelous civilization will also be taken away?

You may assume that the slower the decline rate, the more time we’ll have to prepare substitutes. That the worst possible outcome is a sudden, sharp decline, or realization of decline, commonly referred to here as “hitting the wall.”

Which would you prefer? I’ll assume, as I would, you’d choose the slow decline. Of course, being human, that would imply we could learn from history and as I already posited, we don’t.

Therefore, I’ve long since concluded that we’ll “hit the wall,” preferably at 1000 miles an hour, as 100 would only kill most of us. Hopefully, this is the last time we’ll have to “learn the hard way.” Hopefully, those few who have survived the environmental, economic, and social disintegration that is our future will learn enough to avoid any similar fate in the distant future.

Well, anyway, I just felt like say that.

[kevincarter]

The reality is that you are scared, because the more you read about PO the less you can debunk it, so you take this orgiastic leftist approach where "nothing is connected to nothing and it's all feelings and appreciations and then we hold our hands together and sing KUMBAYA"

Don't get me started on Cuba. What do you really know about Cuba? Only what you read, and if propaganda wasn't convincing then it wouldn't work.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust felt like saying that.

[jdumars]

I think it's good to be skeptical. It's good to question what we believe about PO. I hope most people simply refuse to believe it, because ultimately we can't do much about it -- human nature and all that.

We can quibble over truth, lies and propaganda, but while this argument happens, the now is concretely unfolding under our feet. If you take a long, hard look around and think any of this is sustainable, then the real agenda of those in power has worked. It's ultimately not a bunch of people in a dark boardroom smoking cigars... it's your corner diner, the local auto dealer, the county bank.

I learned it is best to shape a personal future that aligns with your own internal compass. For me this points to a low-energy, low-consumption, austere lifestyle as petroleum-free as possible.

[coyote]

True, we don't know exactly how much oil there is, or when peak will occur, or even whether it has already. I notice you don't try to dispute that peak oil will happen. Just that we don't know when. I agree. As Turtle wrote, so what? The fact that it's certainly going to happen is the important part. We don't need an investment banker to tell us that. Just an introduction by Hubbert and a little reflection on the word 'finite.'

Perhaps your skepticism is not concerning peak oil theory itself, but only with the notion that we've already peaked? Or is it, as per your Cuba example, simply that when it happens it won't be all that bad?

Hope you're right. I'm not going to relax just yet.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', 'T')hey're are certain patterns in human interaction, activity and consumption that I find interesting that people who congregate around "peak oil" entertain and discuss

[Windmills]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', ' ')you don't actually "know" beyond the words of a banker and a few scattered enviornmentalists here and there.....

[clueless]

dup.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey're are certain patterns in human interaction, activity and consumption that I find interesting that people who congregate around "peak oil" entertain and discuss - but some you are sold on something you read about - but have trouble admitting you don't actually "know" beyond the words of a banker and a few scattered enviornmentalists here and there..... who incidentally make good money off their websites and public talks.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', ' ')The reality is that absolutely nobody on this board KNOWS for SURE how much "oil" or energy resources are available...they only know what they READ...and if propaganda wasn't convincing it wouldn't work.

[seahorse2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ho incidentally make good money off their websites and public talks.

[Ingenuity_Gap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', 'T')he reality is that energy is everywhere. The reality is that with the hunt-and-peck of scientific inquiry of the last hundred ( or more to the point hundreds of thousands) of years we have established a body of understanding that doesn't require re-learning.The reality is that energy is in the very fabric of the earths orbit.

[XOVERX]

I see no basis that you give for your "skepticism".

I mean, for what reason or set of reasons are you "skeptical?"

If you fail to fill your gas tank with gas and then continue to drive, will you eventually run out of gas or not?

Are you "skeptical" that your car will eventually stop if you continue to drive it but do refill it with gas?

And, with regard to Peak Oil, once the oil that makes the gas is gone, then where will you get the gas to fill up your car?

So where's the basis for your skepticism?

Is the world's oil being used up or not?

Is there an oil fairy somewhere out there replenishing the oilfields?

[greenworm]

I'm skeptical.

The day I made a turbine spin continuously with magnets is the day I realized what a real joke this place is.(Kiddies, uncle greenworm, says be careful when handling magnets, keep them away from your heart and don't spend too much time around them.)

The day I realized how oil is really created was another monumental day of reckoning.

You guys repeat the same arguments over and over, it is quite tedious to listen to this garbage day in and day out. Try thinking, can't hurt to try it.

Peace

And may you live in interesting times, cause there is no doubt in my mind that they will soon be very interesting.


This is the end, my only friend the end.

Goin' out like a rockstar.

[OnceFueled]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I')'m skeptical.

The day I made a turbine spin continuously with magnets is the day I realized what a real joke this place is.(Kiddies, uncle greenworm, says be careful when handling magnets, keep them away from your heart and don't spend too much time around them.)

The day I realized how oil is really created was another monumental day of reckoning.

You guys repeat the same arguments over and over, it is quite tedious to listen to this garbage day in and day out. Try thinking, can't hurt to try it.

Peace

And may you live in interesting times, cause there is no doubt in my mind that they will soon be very interesting.


This is the end, my only friend the end.

Goin' out like a rockstar.