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Unread postby coyote » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 11:55:55

Courtesy of Anni Cats:
Tyson Foods sees fuel in animal fat

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')HICAGO (Reuters) -- The largest U.S. meat producer, Tyson Foods Inc., produces 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year and the company thinks that could be turned into fuel, Tyson officials said Monday.

"We believe it's a win for our energy independence, it's a win for our environment, and we believe it will be a big win for our shareholders as well," said Jeff Webster, an official with the company's Corporate Strategy and Development team.


2.3 billion pounds sure sounds like a lot of animal fat... Well, let's break out the calculators... 8 pounds to a gallon, 42 gallons to a barrell, that's 336 pounds to a barrel. Divide that into 2.3 billion and you get a whopping: 6845238 barrels of fat. Less than 1/3 of our daily consumption, and that's not taking into account whatever gets wasted converting the fat into fuel. Also not taking into account the hydrocarbon inputs that make that waste product possible. Not quite what I would call a 'win for our energy independence' or a 'win for our environment.' Possibly a 'big win for our shareholders,' at least in the short haul.

I'm sure my calculations aren't quite right, I know fat doesn't weight the same as water... but we're still talking about something on the order of 1/1000th of our yearly consumption. Do journalists have any responsibility to cry bullshit, or at least put the numbers into some kind of context? Or do they pretty much just run the company press releases as straight news?
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:01:32

Straight news with little stock pop ups off to the side of the page ;-)
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:28:14

So what have they been doing with all that fat before now? Dumping it down a bottomless animal fat well?
Which animal fat derived products are going to zoom in price as the fat gets diverted to fuel production?
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:30:17

right!! I am buying stock in spam and hotdog/bologna producers ;-)
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:35:26

Yeah. That's the really amazing thing is that it's enough fat to meet the caloric needs of everyone in America for about 2 weeks. It's the "I'd rather drive than eat this week" diet.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby Newsseeker » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:41:58

And just how much fuel is required to harvest the feedstock to feed the animals before the fat ever occurs? Not very efficient if you ask me and is the fat in question waste or something that people eat? If it is waste that is one thing but if it is a product that people are eating then it is less likely that this energy intensive process will yield any results.

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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 14:05:23

Has anyone ever seen a movie called "Soylent Green?"


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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 14:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', 'A')nd just how much fuel is required to harvest the feedstock to feed the animals before the fat ever occurs? Not very efficient if you ask me and is the fat in question waste or something that people eat? If it is waste that is one thing but if it is a product that people are eating then it is less likely that this energy intensive process will yield any results.
You can bet that it was either being fed to humans or other animals. Even Americans aren't hubristic enough to throw out millions of pounds of virgin animal fat. Ultimately it's a shell game. Use all that fat as motor fuel, and you'll have to find someway to replace it somewhere else. Any way you look at it, burning your dinner in your automobile is just poor planning.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 14:34:13

Read (or see) the Omnivore's Dilemma or Fast Food Nation to learn more about the modern food chain. With cows it's pretty much a diet of corn, which is raised industrially for their benefit - fatter cows are more economically productive but aren't as good for us as leaner cows raised on grass, which is what cows evolved to eat, of course. Also interesting is that corn is dependent on humans to grow - it was a mutation of a Central American plant and if seeds are left to sprout in the wild they'll fail.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 21:43:03

The long time viewers of PO.com are reminded of the project in Missouri, now run at some level by Con Agra, which supposedly had constructed a plant to convert "turkey offal" a.k.a. byproducts and various other waste items, into something that approaches crude oil.

Aside from some minor issues such as an incredibly foul odor, and the second law of thermodynamics, they thought it would work. They had the idea that they would build their plant next to a Tyson Foods turkey plant so as to get the "cheap" by products.

To make a long story short, Tyson decided that they could make more money selling the "offal" to local reprocessors, who presumably turned it into some other useful material, such as turkey food (ugh) rather than give it to the fledgeling plant next door to have it turned, by thermal depolymerization, into "oil".

There is a long thread on this project.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic505.html

So, Tyson's "commitment", if any, to this idea, is only as deep as the next quarter's balance sheet.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby perdition79 » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 02:41:28

animal fat can be used for soaps, explosives, animal feed and possibly motor fuel. By the time this post-peak ride is over, we will be living like native americans, using every part of the buffalo in an attempt to avoid the inevitable.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby SolarDave » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 05:09:25

How disappointing. I jumped in thinking this was an exercise thread.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby TorrKing » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 08:39:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('perdition79', 'a')nimal fat can be used for soaps, explosives, animal feed and possibly motor fuel. By the time this post-peak ride is over, we will be living like native americans, using every part of the buffalo in an attempt to avoid the inevitable.


Except the buffalo will be extinct.
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Re: Energy independence from animal fat... Really...

Unread postby TheTurtle » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 08:48:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'R')ead (or see) the Omnivore's Dilemma ... to learn more about the modern food chain.


I am currently reading it. Very enlightening. Once one understands the modern food chain (and how dependent it is upon oil), one clearly sees all these bio-diesel dreams boil down to simply, "do we eat or do we continue to drive our SUVs".
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New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 16:29:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Reuters) - Tyson Foods Inc. (NYSE:TSN - news) and Syntroleum Corp. (Nasdaq:SYNM - news) are set to announce plans for a $150 million plant that would turn fat from Tyson plants into fuel, The Wall Street Journal Online reported on Monday.


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Re: New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 16:37:11

You know, if not for this animal byproduct feedstock conversion into synfuel, we would have piles upon piles of entrails surrounding us, eventually covering all the land surface of the earth in a thick layer of greasy lipids. I, for one, welcome our Tyson overlords who are working diligently to rid the Earth of such a grisly fate.

Oh wait, they're merely diverting the feedstock from other productive uses in order to make synfuel? Say it ain't so! :roll:
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Re: New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 16:51:27

Human fat will be next :twisted:
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Re: New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 17:01:12

What if they start targeting this?

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Re: New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 18:16:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'W')hat if they start targeting this?

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Re: New Plant to turn Chicken Fat into Fuel

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 20:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Clouseau2', '
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