Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Africa Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby eric_b » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 07:34:58

Hmmm, I seem to recall people looking for dinosaurs in some of those forests, as well as a national geographic article from a few years back where someone was exploring an area few people ever see.

<does some frantic googling>

Ah, found it. Michael Fay's "megatransect" voyage through the most pristine forests in central Africa...
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0107/fay/

This was in 2000. Already 7 years ago, I wonder how quickly those forests will disappear?
User avatar
eric_b
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1174
Joined: Fri 14 Jan 2005, 04:00:00
Location: us

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 22:07:27

We don't have a chance. We can just stop this "there's still time to avoid total disaster" bullshit right here and now. If I hear any more wishy-washy opium-dream horseshit about how we can retrieve the situation if only we make the effort, I'm gonna barf on somebody's shoes.

We're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby mlit » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 22:38:50

Technology is just moments away from saving us so stop complaining go back to your television sets, nothing to see here. Move Along Please. :cry:
An Optimist is eventually wrong, A Pessimist is eventually right.
User avatar
mlit
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 173
Joined: Tue 08 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Washington State

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Terran » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 03:30:18

China is one of the most forest poor countries per capita if you look into Diamonds books Collapse. To prevent themselves from cutting down what little forest they have left, it's wise of them to cut them forest elsewhere. It's best to save the resources in your own country, and go elsewhere to get them.
User avatar
Terran
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 405
Joined: Wed 07 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Berkeley CA

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 04:44:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e don't have a chance. We can just stop this "there's still time to avoid total disaster" bullshit right here and now. If I hear any more wishy-washy opium-dream horseshit about how we can retrieve the situation if only we make the effort, I'm gonna barf on somebody's shoes.

We're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.


I don't think truer words were evere spoken on this board.
I_Like_Plants
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3839
Joined: Sun 12 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby TheTurtle » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 09:15:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.


You seem less optimistic than you once did, my friend. :P
“Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
User avatar
TheTurtle
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1905
Joined: Sat 14 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby manu » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 10:15:42

The bad news is that a strain of TB resistant to antibiotics is on the loose in South Africa. What if that spreads to China? Why doesnt P.Bush go over there and talk the billion plus people into going back to riding bycycles and eating noodles?
User avatar
manu
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 751
Joined: Wed 26 Jul 2006, 03:00:00

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 15:52:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', 'T')o prevent themselves from cutting down what little forest they have left, it's wise of them to cut them forest elsewhere. It's best to save the resources in your own country, and go elsewhere to get them.

And yet ANWR must be drilled...
Twilight
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 3027
Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007, 04:00:00

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 16:34:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.

You seem less optimistic than you once did, my friend. :P

Well, this news of the stripping of the African forests is extremely distressing. Up to now, I was harboring the delusion that maybe they wouldn't be mined like Amazonia, but apparently the Africans are doing their best to catch up with the South Americans.

We're not going to give the biosphere a chance, are we? We're going to do everything we can think of to make it unable to sustain us.

When I feel up to the grim task, I'll try to do some research on where all this lumber is going. I suspect, as has been said above, that virtually all of it is going to China.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 17:49:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e don't have a chance. We can just stop this "there's still time to avoid total disaster" bullshit right here and now. If I hear any more wishy-washy opium-dream horseshit about how we can retrieve the situation if only we make the effort, I'm gonna barf on somebody's shoes.

We're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.


I don't think truer words were evere spoken on this board.


I think we can get Aaron to put this on the main page as a "member quote"!! Lol I love it
User avatar
Troyboy1208
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 522
Joined: Wed 26 Apr 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Orlando FL
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Kyn » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:23:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e don't have a chance. We can just stop this "there's still time to avoid total disaster" bullshit right here and now. If I hear any more wishy-washy opium-dream horseshit about how we can retrieve the situation if only we make the effort, I'm gonna barf on somebody's shoes.

We're screwed. We're fucked. We're gang-raped. The future will utterly suck.

Deal with it.


I think the global wealth will increase in the future, as is did in the past, and that global inequality will decrease in the future as it did in the past decades.

Even if technological development should stop tomorrow, and it won't.
User avatar
Kyn
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun 10 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Kyn » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:33:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')Well, this news of the stripping of the African forests is extremely distressing. Up to now, I was harboring the delusion that maybe they wouldn't be mined like Amazonia, but apparently the Africans are doing their best to catch up with the South Americans.


A few facts you should keep in mind: while we are talking, forests are destroyed and new ones are planted, especially in the first world, China, India etc.

We're loosing a net 13 million hectares of forests each year. But that's only 0.3% of the global forest-areas. And it's unlikely that the forests will disappear forever at this rate. The past has proven that if a country gets richer, it is able to do more to protect its environment.

My opinion: This is what will happen in the future, and we will and can find solutions to secure growths of our economies with less consumption of resources in the future.
User avatar
Kyn
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun 10 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby jupiters_release » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:47:40

Kyn,

We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a newbie and not a troll. Either case you should lurk around a few weeks and read before posting again.

Sorry if the comment is abrasive, but for once I agree with Z-man, makes me wanna vomit.
jupiters_release
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1301
Joined: Mon 10 Oct 2005, 03:00:00

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Kyn » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:51:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'K')yn,

We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a newbie and not a troll. Either case you should lurk around a few weeks and read before posting again.

Sorry if the comment is abrasive, but for once I agree with Z-man, makes me wanna vomit.


I'm reading here and at other forums for several years. Does that make me troll?
User avatar
Kyn
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun 10 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby jupiters_release » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 01:58:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kyn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'K')yn,

We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a newbie and not a troll. Either case you should lurk around a few weeks and read before posting again.

Sorry if the comment is abrasive, but for once I agree with Z-man, makes me wanna vomit.


I'm reading here and at other forums for several years. Does that make me troll?


If not, then it makes us question your reading comprehension. :P
jupiters_release
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1301
Joined: Mon 10 Oct 2005, 03:00:00
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Kyn » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 02:18:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
')If not, then it makes us question your reading comprehension. :P


Hm. I don't want to be a troll. But as I'm far more optimistic than most of you, I must admit that I wanted to provoke a little bit with my postings. It's hard to resist when people here are saying the don't want to hear optimistic "bullshit" because they think they've heard enough of it... btw, I think it is virtually impossible to have heard enough and thought enough about a complex problem as resource depletion, ecological problems etc. are....
User avatar
Kyn
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun 10 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 14:05:46

Optimism is not a good fit for reality, frankly.
Twilight
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 3027
Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007, 04:00:00

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 14:22:02

Bless your heart Kyn,unfortunately Zardoz and plants , twilight, etc. are no-doubt correct. if it was "just" deforestation I might be inclined to agree with you. But please take off the rose colored binoculars and really take a gander at what's going on outside your own little piece of utopia.We're F*CK*D! This planet is headed towards the ICU with little hope of recovery.BTW , I'm really a usually happy person.
User avatar
jboogy
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1191
Joined: Mon 06 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: the place where smartasses dwell

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 14 Jun 2007, 15:30:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kyn', '.')..The past has proven that if a country gets richer, it is able to do more to protect its environment...

Do you have any idea of what is going on in China?
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: More good news from Africa

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 23:17:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kyn', 'I') think the global wealth will increase in the future, as is did in the past, and that global inequality will decrease in the future as it did in the past decades...

And look what happens when it does:

India snubs West on climate change

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndia will not curb its greenhouse gas emissions as long as the West continues to treat it as a 'second class global citizen' with less right to pollute than the developed world, a senior Indian environment official has said.

Pradipto Ghosh, who retired last month as India's environment secretary and now sits on a committee advising India's prime minister on climate change, warned that the West must "get serious" about cutting its own emissions if it wanted progress on the issue.

His comments confirm the massive gulf between the West and the world's emerging economies a week after President Bush agreed to enter UN-sponsored climate change negotiations on condition that India and China also agreed to play their part.

No chance.

No hope.

No way out.

We are screwed.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron