[Valdemar]

So it doesn't quite pass some standards, that is hardly indicative of a mass cancer causing agent out there which would already be visible from other EM sources used for years as it is. None of these devices emits enough radiation to damage DNA or, for that matter, any chemical bonds of note. They don't inflict severe thermal damage either, so quite literally, there is no known way they can cause damage.

I have yet to read a single paper or article on this subject that shows a mechanism for causing cellular damage. Until such a model is proposed, tested and venerated, such claims of danger are hopelessly overblown in a world that strives to be as harmless as cotton wool. Far more concern should be levelled at sunbathing doses or UV than what you'd get from a mobile or router. Now there is damage associated with such ionising radiation.

[TheDude]

What a stupid name - WiTricity. Why not ElecLess?

Nothing about powering cars this way. This is a liquid fuels crisis.

I bet we'll be able to Scan people now, rockin'!

[Valdemar]

I have to voice my view on dealing with the powering of cars then. We should go for nuclear, as in, we should all drive Ford Nucleons.

[Terrapin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', 'S')o it doesn't quite pass some standards, that is hardly indicative of a mass cancer causing agent out there which would already be visible from other EM sources used for years as it is. None of these devices emits enough radiation to damage DNA or, for that matter, any chemical bonds of note. They don't inflict severe thermal damage either, so quite literally, there is no known way they can cause damage.

I have yet to read a single paper or article on this subject that shows a mechanism for causing cellular damage. Until such a model is proposed, tested and venerated, such claims of danger are hopelessly overblown in a world that strives to be as harmless as cotton wool. Far more concern should be levelled at sunbathing doses or UV than what you'd get from a mobile or router. Now there is damage associated with such ionising radiation.

[aflurry]

double post.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '
')This is truly the spirit of our age. Every new technological advance, especially in the field of energy, is greeted with ridicule and skepticism first and environmental paranoia second.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '
')
BTW, this technology does not utilize em radiation that comes out of your cell phone, wi-fi or microwave but magnetic resonance energy transmission. There are no applications of this phenomenon that are currently in use. Few people understood this, even on Slashdot, where there are a lot of people with a science background.

[steam_cannon]

My superpower is I can make you feel god, with a magnet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', 'T')here are no applications of this phenomenon that are currently in use.

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'C')an you say cancer by the age of 20 ?

[abelardlindsay]

THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT USE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION TO TRANSMIT ENERGY.

Why has this thread turned into an electromagnetic radiation debate?? It's like saying that oxygen is a poisonous gas because if it had one more electron it would be flourine.

[Valdemar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
')
Your probably one of those dickheads that smoke and say second hand is not harmful also.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '[')b]THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT USE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION TO TRANSMIT ENERGY.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '[')b]THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT USE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION TO TRANSMIT ENERGY.

Why has this thread turned into an electromagnetic radiation debate?? It's like saying that oxygen is a poisonous gas because if it had one more electron it would be flourine.

[Valdemar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')
It's PO, what do you expect? Some of the 'non-thermal' effects of EM radiation are hotly debated, that is they may have (hopefully) subtle
health affects.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')
It's PO, what do you expect? Some of the 'non-thermal' effects of EM radiation are hotly debated, that is they may have (hopefully) subtle
health affects.

[Valdemar]

The last link is well over a decade old. I don't think you can even use the first one since I can't even find a proper paper linked to it. The fact is, I can say that DNA won't be affected by these devices the same way I can say a magnifying glass focusing the sun on a car won't melt it. There's physically no way it can happen. Period. And that much is confirmed in the studies the WHO and FDA and HPA follow. Anything that suggest a minor risk is either an outlier or misinterpreted.

Now, I'm open the the idea of there being a third pathway, but since no one has even proposed a theoretical model as to how this damage can happen that is sound, it's really a no-brainer. Nothing will ever be 100% safe. I'm not about to give up all the electronics I need in this modern life over the possibility of a insignificant risk of cellular damage, not when eating most processed foods today brings more risk of health woes.

Course, when TSHTF, we'll have bigger problems on our plates.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', '
')
Course, when TSHTF, we'll have bigger problems on our plates.

[Valdemar]

I've heard about the membrane alteration idea, but never seen anything concrete on it being a reason for concern. I'll certainly pay more attention to anything that looks into it in future though. It would at least shed some new light on chromo-electrodynamics and cell interactions. Nothing to be worried about, at least.

[kochevnik]

I think people are leary because they are tired of getting screwed by yet one more 'techological micracle' that ends up causing more problems than it solves.

We pay a steep price for a lot of these technologies - one that most people completely and totally ignore - even tho the evidence is staring them right in the face.

50,000 people die each year in the US from auto accidents - yet people just blow it off. Figure tens of millions have either died or never been born as a result.

500,000 people die of cancer every year too. Maybe EM has some responsibility for that or maybe not - consider that everyone who does these 'scientific' studies now has a vested interest in their outcome either way - so for now, I'll err on the side of caution.

In any case Tesla did this a century ago and he did it a lot more effectively. Anyone note that one such energy experiment coincided with the Tuingska 'meteor' event ? One theory is that Tesla's experiment was the direct cause for the energy release on the other side of the planet. Stranger things have happened.

[Terrapin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'I')n any case Tesla did this a century ago and he did it a lot more effectively. Anyone note that one such energy experiment coincided with the Tuingska 'meteor' event ? One theory is that Tesla's experiment was the direct cause for the energy release on the other side of the planet. Stranger things have happened.