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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby Fiddlerdave » Thu 17 May 2007, 17:26:21

Replace that little building by the burning transormers and the dirt around it (pictured on the Khou site) with a townhouse complex and you have an idea of a new development that went up by me here in Orange County, CA. I swear, you could lean out a window and touch the high power lines lines with a broomstick. I was astounded a residential building (several stories) went in there, and even more astounded anyone would buy them (but they will). Too close to power
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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby Twilight » Thu 17 May 2007, 17:56:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', 'R')eplace that little building by the burning transormers and the dirt around it (pictured on the Khou site) with a townhouse complex and you have an idea of a new development that went up by me here in Orange County, CA. I swear, you could lean out a window and touch the high power lines lines with a broomstick. I was astounded a residential building (several stories) went in there, and even more astounded anyone would buy them (but they will). Too close to power

That would be the relay room. Not a good idea building anything residential so close - here's a video of a transformer failure in Florida. Link to video and a link to discussion.
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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby gnm » Thu 17 May 2007, 18:10:58

Hey, if you're that close just build yourself a big ass coil and harvest the EM flux off the line. FREE POWER!

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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby Twilight » Thu 17 May 2007, 18:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'H')ey, if you're that close just build yourself a big ass coil and harvest the EM flux off the line. FREE POWER!

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I have heard of someone getting busted for that.
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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby killJOY » Thu 17 May 2007, 18:58:54

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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby Fiddlerdave » Thu 17 May 2007, 22:56:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'H')ey, if you're that close just build yourself a big ass coil and harvest the EM flux off the line. FREE POWER!-G

Given they have built something like 5000 housing units in the area in the last year, I wonder just how over-capacity those transformers may be. Hey! I could market some flagpoles to put outside their units which contain a coil through the pole length that have an outlet on the end to run into their units. The area could be amazed at the patriotism of the residents of that building. And how they keep their bright lights on all the time.
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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby cube » Fri 18 May 2007, 03:35:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'T')his is why I call bullshit on mass ownership of electric cars.
If you thought replacing the Lithium Ion batteries in an iPod was expensive try this! :lol:
FYI - Li-ion batteries tend to "degrade" with age. Basically it has a "limited shelf life" even if you don't use it. This is why when you buy Li-ion batteries you should look to see the date of manufacture and get the newest ones possible....and of course only buy when you need it. Capacity loss is about 20% per year! link
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Re: Union: Overloaded grid ready to ‘pop’: Warns of blackout

Postby Twilight » Fri 18 May 2007, 21:27:40

It's true. Back in 1998 or so, I bought a phone with a Lithium Ion battery that lasted a week at full charge. In 2005, I finally junked it as a full charge lasted only two days. I'm detecting the same pattern with a phone I have had just over a year. I think it has lost a day or two.

This is not a viable solution.
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Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby thuja » Mon 21 May 2007, 13:00:48

Oregonian article

I've already seen numerous articles about this from various regions around the country. The above linked article is from the Sunday Oregonian. It seems that everyone is more than a tad nervous about soaring global warming related heat mixed with increased population growth and the explosiuon of big new houses with air conditioning.

I would place my bets on the grid going down big time somewhere this summer- I'd probably place my bets on the East Coast somewhere but I wouldn't be surprised in the Southwest gets hits hard this summer...

PLace your bets ladies and gentlemen!
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby roccman » Mon 21 May 2007, 13:05:44

Phoenix is in the 5 ring.

Hardly a doubt in my mind.
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Coolman » Mon 21 May 2007, 20:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'P')hoenix is in the 5 ring.

Hardly a doubt in my mind.


I live in Phoenix.

What makes you speculate that Phoenix will have problems this summer?
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Pops » Mon 21 May 2007, 23:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', 'I') live in Phoenix.

What makes you speculate that Phoenix will have problems this summer?


So, Coolman, how do you stay cool?
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Rogozhin » Tue 22 May 2007, 00:12:06

Air conditioning :)

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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby roccman » Tue 22 May 2007, 01:18:24

SRP told me so.
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby SILENTTODD » Tue 22 May 2007, 01:50:53

Before anybody says anything about California, I live in Orange County, doesn't get too hot, doesn't get too cold.

I ride a bicycle, in fact I own 3 of them. As everyone should!
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Coolman » Tue 22 May 2007, 02:10:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')RP told me so.


What exactly did SRP say?
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Newsseeker » Tue 22 May 2007, 07:57:37

Olduvai Gorge lies just around the corner.....
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby Ebyss » Tue 22 May 2007, 07:59:31

Australia

Drought doesn't just cause food shortages. Hot and hungry -nice.
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby thuja » Tue 22 May 2007, 12:26:01

While I don't think its Olduvai (yet)- I think the First World is about to enter a very new paradigm- one that is similar to the Third World, and that is increasingly frequent brownouts and blackouts.

What I am confused about is why Power companies don't demand rationed conservation as a way to stop blackouts from happening. They know its going to be hot- can't they reduce or cut electricity to certain customers during certain times as a way of avoiding a complete and entire collapse?

The thing that kills me up here in the PNW is air conditioning. 20 years ago only 1/3rd of customers had it. Now over 2/3rds have it. Get with the program- it is not essential. Perhaps you should have to get a medical prescription from a doctor before being allowed to have it. Otherwise- tough s#it!

I don't want to go through blackouts because your fat ass can't handle a little heat...
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Re: Where will the Blackouts Happen First this Summer

Postby roccman » Tue 22 May 2007, 12:40:12

"What exactly did SRP say?"

To expect blackouts in less than 2 years - and that was 6 months ago.
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