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Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 15 May 2007, 12:18:03

So, the buyer comes to the store, and wants to buy a hat for 10 roubles.
He is paying with a 25 rouble bill, and the seller doesnt have the change.
He sent a boy to the next store to change it.
The boy came back with 2 ten and one five rouble bills.
The seller sold the hat and gave 15 roubles in change.
The person from the next store comes in and says that 25 roubles note was a fake, and gets his money back.

The question is, how much money did he loose?
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 15 May 2007, 12:45:15

50 roubles.

10 for the hat.

15 given in change.

25 he must now refund to the other store owner.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 15 May 2007, 13:39:46

or zero assuming that the He in the last sentence is refering to the person from the next store that got his money back.
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 15 May 2007, 13:50:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'o')r zero assuming that the He in the last sentence is refering to the person from the next store that got his money back.


well sure, I should have put "seller" overthere.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 15 May 2007, 13:50:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '5')0 roubles.

10 for the hat.

15 given in change.

25 he must now refund to the other store owner.

No, that's not right. You're counting the 15 change twice. He's not out the 15 because it came from the other shopkeepers pocket.

He's out:
    25 rubles which he paid to cover the fake bill
    one hat, whatever his wholesale cost was ("shrinkage" is the retail term)
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 15 May 2007, 13:57:46

Pretorian, you also need to specify what his inventory is.

If he has a whole store full of hats, his shrinkage loss is his wholesale cost of the hat.

If it was the last one left on display, and another customer walks in to buy a hat, he incurs a lost opportunity cost. He loses the opportunity to earn the retail profit on the hat

There is also an intangible loss of "goodwill". Locals may gossip what a fool the store owner is and take there business elsewhere. It's hard to quantify goodwill.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby ECM » Tue 15 May 2007, 14:21:40

The seller is out the cost of the hat at minimum + 15 roubles.

The two transactions with the person next door nullify each other.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 15 May 2007, 15:11:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', 'P')retorian, you also need to specify what his inventory is.



well we dont know whether he is the owner or a hired person. Wholesale costs and lost profits should be irrelevant, I'd say.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 15 May 2007, 15:13:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'T')he seller is out the cost of the hat at minimum + 15 roubles.

The two transactions with the person next door nullify each other.


You are correct (sorry, hadn't had my coffee yet... :lol: ). Tho' I would still say he's also out the profit on the hat since the shopkeeper now has no opportunity to make it thru a legit sale.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Madpaddy » Tue 15 May 2007, 18:59:57

The hat and the 15 roubles in change
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 May 2007, 19:11:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('purcatty', 'N')ever take roubles.
:lol: What actually left the hat seller's store in the whole deal? 15 real rubles and a hat. So he lost 15 rubles and whatever the hat cost him which was presumably less than 10 rubles. Sounds like a scam and the guy who bought the hat was working for the guy next door who was unloading a fake note that somebody unloaded on him. It is confusing and I can imagine Tolstoy laughing as he wrote it.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Tue 15 May 2007, 19:37:44

Actually he lost nothing. He later found the thieves and beat the crap out of them till he got his money back
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 May 2007, 19:45:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'A')ctually he lost nothing. He later found the thieves and beat the crap out of them till he got his money back
too bad the hat got crunched in the fracas. He lost the hat. but he got 85 rubles from their wallets. but they were 15 real ones and 70 fake ones. so he broke even, or did he?
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Falconoffury » Tue 15 May 2007, 19:54:23

35 roubles total. He lost 10 roubles when he bought the hat, and 25 roubles to pay back the moneychanger.

Assuming he had another 25 rouble bill in his pocket that the moneychanger inspected carefully and determined to be legitimate.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 May 2007, 20:09:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '3')5 roubles total. He lost 10 roubles when he bought the hat, and 25 roubles to pay back the moneychanger.
10 of the 25 rubles he gave to the merchant next door as refund were rubles that he received in change for the fake 25 ruble note. And he wouldn't have paid 10 rubles for a hat he intended to sell for 10 rubles.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 15 May 2007, 20:13:36

He got his 25 Roubles back Therefore he didn't lose anything. What a stupid question. My IQ is about 80 and, although this quiz was restricted to those with an IQ over 90, even I got it right. 8)
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 May 2007, 20:23:39

PEAK HATS

It's true I suppose he could decry
The profit lost when they came to buy
seven ruble hats from a vast supply
but now you can't even get 'em.
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Re: Math question from Lev Tolstoy-- for guys with IQ of 90+

Unread postby Falconoffury » Tue 15 May 2007, 23:37:23

You guys assume too much. Nowhere does it say he returned the hat for a refund. It doesn't say that the 25 rouble note was the only money the guy had to begin with. It also doesn't say that the moneychanger gave back the alleged counterfeit note.
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