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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 14 May 2007, 10:37:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')aron seemed to concede.


Christ dude... I'm publicly embarrassing you.

Show some spine...

This has got to be the worst argument ever.

It would be unethical for me to continue thrashing you... it's like beating up an old woman.

Look at this page... not a peep about the argument I postulated.

Proper trolling requires a lighter touch guy. Instead of saying stupid crap like "energy prices have little effect on the economy", try saying, "energy prices effect on the economy is limited by new technology". Much more reasonable sounding, & cleverly obscures the real issue at hand in the minutia of argument.

All you're gonna get with the "energy has no impact, argument are blank stares.

Now trot off to the conference room & debate the merits of my observation, & return when you have a more effective disinformation strategy.

As for me "conceding"...

If you don't get sarcasm, you would hate my hyperbole.

Are we really down to fart jokes only in American culture? Have we really sunk so low?

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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 14 May 2007, 10:45:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('matt21811', ' ')No, you just don't have an arguement.


Really don't need one as long as you post to this thread. You make my argument for me.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 14 May 2007, 10:47:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', 'T')hen you shouldn't have pretended that I said methane from a garbage dump is somehow a "new" energy source. Dumbest thing I've ever heard......


Yep...right up there with making solar panels from trash made with fossil fuels.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 14 May 2007, 10:50:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', ' ')It would be unethical for me to continue thrashing you... it's like beating up an old woman.


What Aaron said. Unethical and a waste of one's breath.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 14 May 2007, 11:29:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('matt21811', 'I') have never heard anyone say that CTL EROEI is anywhere near unity. I read one estimate of 6. As long as it is significantly positive it is pretty much irrelevant as only a relatively small portion is "wasted" accessing the rest of the energy.


An EROEI of 6 to 1 is an alternative to oil?

Oil at one time was 100 to 1 or better. Even today it is 10 to 1 on average.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'T')he process is 2:1, coal to motor fuel, approximately. Hydrogen production would require an even greater consumption of coal. From what I have read on the subject so far, coal liquefaction would seem to be regarded as a medium to long term prospect for any significant energy production. The lead time to ramp up for any significant production is years, if not decades away. Liquid Coal http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic280.html



The folks over at the oil drum have a good post on this.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/10/17/153632/95
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 14 May 2007, 13:57:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')he market does NOT make anybody lose their money no more so then does fast food make you fat.
I didn't say the market make anyone lose their moneyz, I said$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'T')he market is good at helping fools and their money part ways.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I') hope you're not suggesting that our lives will be made better if we forfeit this power and give it to a centralized authority.
I swear, does anyone bother reading anything before they post? Of course I'm not suggesting we forfeit any power, whatever that statement means. Oh wait... NVM$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lyeinyoureye', 'P')rofit isn't based on what's best from any pragmatic point of view, be it efficiency, utility, or y'allz momaz
must be internetz code speakz for$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m suggesting that our lives will be made better if we forfeit this power and give it to a centralized authority.

How silly of me. And this line$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'B')ecause if any known energy sources compared favorably with convention oil, or even equalled oil's qualities as an energy source, we would see massive implementations of these technologies today.is actually
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like purple cows.repeated several billion times.... It's semantics week here on the PO forums. Not only do we have tons of loons trying to hammer out elaborate doomer porn with ill defined concepts, but now whatever we say can mean anything! Think of the possibilities! Everyone's wrong except for you! :lol:
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:04:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow silly of me. And this lineAaron wrote:
Because if any known energy sources compared favorably with convention oil, or even equalled oil's qualities as an energy source, we would see massive implementations of these technologies today.
is actually
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I like purple cows.


Trivial comment from a trivial poster.

Thanks for contributing, but I think you're looking for this forum.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:32:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') like purple cows.


Trivial comment from a trivial poster.

Thanks for contributing, but I think you're looking for this forum.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:35:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') like purple cows.


Trivial comment from a trivial poster.

Thanks for contributing, but I think you're looking for this forum.


Nice,

You ride the short bus don't ya?
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:38:32

wow! a paris hilton forum and here I am wasting my time at po.com 8)
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'T')rivial comment from a trivial poster.

Thanks for contributing, but I think you're looking for this forum.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'N')ice,

You ride the short bus don't ya?


Aaron, buddy... Stop being so harsh with yourself man. :-D
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Joe0Bloggs » Mon 14 May 2007, 20:49:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Proper trolling requires a lighter touch guy. Instead of saying stupid crap like "energy prices have little effect on the economy"


Nope, nobody bothers reading anything before they post. Where on God's green earth did I say that 'energy prices have little effect on the economy'?

This is what I said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joe0Bloggs', '
')even when a new denser fuel had been found, there had been cases when it didn't replace the old fuel until shortages had driven its prices up.


which, I propose, means that
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Because if any known energy sources compared favorably with convention oil, or even equalled oil's qualities as an energy source, we would see massive implementations of these technologies today.


is not necessarily true.

How did you get from there to
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')energy prices have little effect on the economy


when the 'economy' was never even mentioned by you or me?

Oh nvm, I guess PurpleCow inserted that somewhere while I wasn't looking.
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Joe0Bloggs » Mon 14 May 2007, 21:06:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('matt21811
', 'A')aron seemed to concede.


Christ dude... I'm publicly embarrassing you.

Show some spine...

This has got to be the worst argument ever.

It would be unethical for me to continue thrashing you... it's like beating up an old woman.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')What Aaron said. Unethical and a waste of one's breath.


Sorry guys, enough with the 'I win' declarations already. I'd seen this coming and declared victory in advance way up on page 7. You're all too late. :roll:
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby PraiseDoom » Mon 14 May 2007, 21:41:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joe0Bloggs', '
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Sorry guys, enough with the 'I win' declarations already. I'd seen this coming and declared victory in advance way up on page 7. You're all too late. :roll:


I thought Monte won due to the sheer volume of his posting? That sounds more reasonable than handing over the victory to just the first guy who calls "DIBS I WIN!!"

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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Joe0Bloggs » Mon 14 May 2007, 21:53:43

LOL you're right, he wins :lol:

Praise be to DOOM!!
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 16 May 2007, 10:19:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joe0Bloggs', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Proper trolling requires a lighter touch guy. Instead of saying stupid crap like "energy prices have little effect on the economy"


Nope, nobody bothers reading anything before they post. Where on God's green earth did I say that 'energy prices have little effect on the economy'?

This is what I said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joe0Bloggs', '
')even when a new denser fuel had been found, there had been cases when it didn't replace the old fuel until shortages had driven its prices up.


which, I propose, means that
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Because if any known energy sources compared favorably with convention oil, or even equalled oil's qualities as an energy source, we would see massive implementations of these technologies today.


is not necessarily true.

How did you get from there to
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')energy prices have little effect on the economy


when the 'economy' was never even mentioned by you or me?

Oh nvm, I guess PurpleCow inserted that somewhere while I wasn't looking.

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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby PraiseDoom » Wed 16 May 2007, 10:31:27

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Why I love this place, the high quality of the discussions involved between differing viewpoints.

Joe, I think you have been thoroughly dissed, time to go clean your guns and maybe stock up on a few more MRE's or something.

Or collect a 9000 post count so you can pretend to know something from just the sheer volume of whatever silly viewpoint you want to advocate?
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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

Unread postby yesplease » Wed 16 May 2007, 14:47:26

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Re: Oil Alternatives Aren't

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