[AirlinePilot]

Mike Walter sets the record straight on his often misquoted reporting of events on 9/11 at the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk

I am posting this as an example of how things concerning 9/11 get twisted and used out of context routinely and deliberately by truthers. Notice his admonition at the end about facts.

See dukey, once again I can do the you tube thing too!

[Tanada]

Pick any highly reported event and you will find a conspiracy theorist ready to speculate about it till you go deaf. Its the nature of the human race, nothing to get too excited about.

[Plantagenet]

Someone should ask all the candidates at the next democratic presidential forum if any of them believe any of the conspiracy theory stuff.

Its not a big deal if only fringe candidates like Kucinich are taken in, but it could become a big issue if one of the major candidates endorses all or part of the CT viewpoint.

[jupiters_release]

AP,

You have a very fragile mythology.

Its kind of late, peak-wise, but it might do you some good to read up on humanities and comparative religions, not so much to learn about world history, but about yourself and why you think the way you do despite your intelligence.

[Carlhole]

Well, just for everybody's information, many of the activist-inclined in the 911 Truth Movement are getting kind of competitive in forming "Truth Squads" who basically ambush the political candidates in this election with questions about "facts". One of those things to look for this political season. It will be a sport for quite some time!

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')ick any highly reported event and you will find a conspiracy theorist ready to speculate about it till you go deaf. Its the nature of the human race, nothing to get too excited about.

[dukey]

911 was so obviously an inside job
ignoring the physical evidence ..

Bush lied about when he first saw the first plane hit the tower
The drills running on that day which crippled NORAD
The fact that Dick Cheney was running Norad and the drills
The fact that no planes were intecepted
The fact no one lost their jobs due to errors or incompitence
Bush's brother was running security at the WTC buildings until the day of september the 11th
The ISI connection .. lead hijacker wired 100,000 dollars ?
The trading on the stock market which was NEVER investigated
The obscene amounts of warnings they recieved about 911 which were all ignored. (The FAA had 52 warnings in the 3 months prior to 911. Look it up .. )
The fact they lied about the fact they could have never invisioned people flying planes into buildings, even tho they had done loads of drills about this. Even 11 months before 911 they did a drill where by they simulated a plane crashing into the pentagon (Mascal drill).
Or the blatent obvious cover up.
Was over 400 days before Bush setup the 911 commission, and he only set it up due to massive pressure. Bush and Cheney refused to testify at first and when they did they would only testify together behind closed doors and no written records were to be kept of the meeting. Or the fact that Henry Kissinger or Philip Zelikow were put in charge of the 911 commission... lol i mean come on.

At the very least one can only assume the Bush administration knew of the attacks then did nothing given the evidence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Feb10.html

Put it this way, the government has lied about everything else, WMDs etc etc. Given the fact the 911 commission was not indipendant, how can it be trusted ?

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'A')P AKA "hornit" - The only credibility you have as far as 911 truth is concerned is with the Idiots who cant see jack shit anyways.

If any of these peakers believe your shit then IMHO they are sheeple.
Go bleat and bleed elsewhere thanks.

[NEOPO]

AP - Cry me a river why dont ya...
We do the same to abiotic oil freaks, climate change is natural asshats, biofools and all the rest of the BULLSHIT artists unless you havent noticed.

In a world where the majority are total idiots I will take that as a compliment even though I know it is not true.

Are you capable of the truth?
I suppose the 911 POLL meant nothing?

Wonder how your wife would feel if you had been one of the nearly 3000 who perished that day.......................................................................

Dukey - It cannot be trusted just like we cannot trust any of their lackey's who post thread's on internet forums in support of the lies.

Let us try not to be too hard on ole AP as the last time that happened he ran for help and TPTBH did not do a damn thing about it.

Makes ya wonder dont it? Just alittle?
I almost pulled the plug on my membership to the church of PO because of it yet still to this day I wonder why this asshat has been allowed to remain.

AP will probably be the next big shot round these parts

No fucking biggy as ALL dogs will have their day.

[eastbay]

You just keep right on hurling the insults and character assaults.


To no one in particular, and everyone in general:

There's certainly been quite an epidemic of that around here lately. It eems to be very contagious too, in fact, I may have acquired a touch of it as well, but hopefully it's passed for good. If I catch it again I'll stay away so others don't catch the unkindness malady from me.

Now, if we could all simply maintain a somewhat friendly level of discourse around here, the PO message we all share might be taken more seriously, especially from those among the constant flow of newcomers we regularly receive.

[NEOPO]

As if it really FN matters...
There is no one agreed upon "way" and there is no single message besides PO, take it or leave it.

TPTB will post ad infinitum about how hopeless the situation really is and then turn around and pretend like the sacred PO.COM cow will somehow save the world.

If the newcomers cannot see beyond this then the fault lies with them not us.

Damn, it took me a whole month or two to realize that many of the "qualified" commentators are nothing but idiots who through chance/luck alone managed to find the way here and somehow become figures of authority.

I am sorry Eastbay, you were saying?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Now, if we could all simply maintain a somewhat friendly level of discourse around here, the PO message we all share might be taken more seriously

[AirlinePilot]

I agree totally with your sentiments Eastbay.

Actually Neopo, civil discourse and debate DO matter. If you can't grasp that than you suffer losing your audience and whatever "message" your peddling. I'm here for the obviously educated and insider industry types touting PO. I dont come here for this sideshow, although I do enjoy rattling your cage periodically. Maybe If you could communicate with a little less animosity and hatred you'd be "heard" quite a bit more often.

I think most members here consider you some sort of anomaly. The entertainment aspect if you will. I know I sure do.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
')I think most members here consider you some sort of anomaly. The entertainment aspect if you will. I know I sure do.

[eastbay]

NEOPO,

.... like I was sayin'.... lol...

AP,

Sometimes I too fall for the false thinking that my, 'intended as funny', comments are perceived as 'funny' by all here when, in fact, a few here may be somewhat, or even greatly offended. So, maybe if we try to count to 10, or something like that, before nailing 'submit'.

PMS, no, but I'll keep a lookout for it. I saw the X-Files movie again this afternoon on TV. Wife's choice.... MD today. My back is really jacked up right, in fact, it's 'S' shaped (strange) now after yesterdays entertainment so I was in a chair all afternoon, and will be for a few more days. Getting off the couch is almost impossible alone. Maybe I'll use this as an excuse to score some meds for my post-peak med container. Plus, I can watch a few free cable movies... The Fast and the Furious in Tokyo may be next... unless someone here's seen it already and has a less-than-positive-report to share.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')My back is really jacked up right, in fact, it's 'S' shaped (strange) now after yesterdays entertainment so I was in a chair all afternoon, and will be for a few more days. Getting off the couch is almost impossible alone.

[Newsseeker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')ick any highly reported event and you will find a conspiracy theorist ready to speculate about it till you go deaf. Its the nature of the human race, nothing to get too excited about.

[eastbay]

Never swam much pms, but my daughters do and quite well. I was always a bit afraid of water... something in my genetics... much like a cat that can swim but won't ever do so voluntarily.

Have fun in class! Someday we'll have to compare notes. I was a HS history teacher for a short time in my earlier life and I would still be there if not for the lure of travel and excitement that I stumbled across many years ago. Maybe some day I'll take another swing at teaching... but only part-time, please. If I do I'll probably get banned for unorthodox perspectives, such as PO, among others... lol... unless I can manage to keep my big mouth shut somehow.

[Carlhole]

Griffin's new book "Debunking 911 Debunking" is quite clearly a tour de force describing the claims and counter claims in the fight between The 911 Truth Movement and those of the defenders of the official story. Perhaps it's only because I am already very familiar with the subject matter but the book itself is a gripping read. I would expect anyone new to the controversy would enjoy reading this book just as much. And it definitely has the look and feel of a mainstream critique now. Griffin has done a superb job.

I suppose having one's cherished theory demolished could be mildly painful. But the defenders of the official story will have to read this book nonetheless if they hope to ever reply to it. Everyone seems to give it very high marks.

When you read Griffin, you can be sure that you're not going to get a riot act of argumentative cheap shots - the man can get by with just the clean facts themselves, thank you very much. Griffin also seems to personify the classical role of a priest going up against a monstrous evil afflicting the people - something that a literary giant like Graham Greene might have written about.

Of the reviews on this page at Amazon, I like the last one best myself.

[web]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/156656686X/sr=8-1/qid=1179156962/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-3094305-7442430?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155&qid=1179156962&sr=8-1[/web]

[Plantagenet]

Prof. Griffin is a retired professor of philosophy. He has absolutely no scientific or engineering expertise to evaluate any of the technical matters covered in the various NIST reports he purports to disprove.