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African Oil Shortages Thread

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Sun 08 Apr 2007, 07:37:59

I think the "peak oil" rubber is hitting the road first in Africa. I am starting this thread to keep track of oil shortages and so on occurring currently in Africa. Please feel free to add your finds.

Latest Ugandan oil shortage news:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200704050083.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndustries start to feel the pinch of the fuel shortages as parts of Kampala will experience nightly power cuts and profiteers are charging up to 2,250 for a litre of petrol. Bugolobi, Industrial Area, Nakawa, Naguru and Kololo will experience power cuts every night due to the current diesel shortage, the electricity company Umeme has announced.

"At midnight we have to switch off the lines served by Aggreko diesel generator. Power will come back at around 6:00 to 6:30 in the morning," said Robert Kisubi, communications manager of Umeme
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YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby auscanman » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 19:10:03

While trying to see if I could find anything on the US gas shortages today I stumbled acorss these 2 clips showing cars qued up a long distance waiting to gas up. These clips both seem to be very recent. The process of demand destruction doesn't look very pretty!

Maybe a taste of what this summer has in store for North Americans?

This one is from Nigeria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HFlRG8-Uk0

And this one is from Senegal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g29JPdc7ork
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby Ebyss » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 19:34:53

Ouch! Me no likey.

Reminds me of when the hurricane was coming for Houston and people tried to evacuate in their SUV's. The freeways were gridlocked. It was a disturbing and deeply unnatural looking sight.
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby billp » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 20:00:10

Gas shortages may be only a matter of time in the US? And throughout the world?

Regular is about $2.98/gal on Saturday April 28, 2007 in Albuquerque, NM.

Let's see what happens to farm business when we face gas/diesel shortages?
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 21:03:35

I just wondering how safe it will be riding a bicycle. Road Rage against the mobile!
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby billp » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 22:04:18

Likely very dangerous people in the future.

We may be entering a new age of very POed people.

They may ask, "Why has this happened to us?"

And blame the establishment?

Which may be justified?

And do something about it?

We will see?

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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby Twilight » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 22:35:52

I wouldn't worry too much about them. Not all oil exporters (or countries next door to oil exporters) had sufficient refinery capacity to meet demand even before the latest period of global economic growth. Or else they suffered from a poor distribution system or official incompetence long-term. They've been resigned to queuing for fuel, and much else, for a long time. Broken systems are the norm. It's when even a day waiting in line doesn't result in a purchase, that they get pissed.

More dangerous are going to be the people who always had it when they needed it. People who simply aren't used to being turned away and told "Sorry, we have nothing for you." That's a common enough experience in the developing world, in the West it's going to be psychologically jarring.
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 23:09:02

Public anger by the middle class never seen before. At least not in my 53 years.......
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby lateStarter » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 15:17:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'I') wouldn't worry too much about them. Not all oil exporters (or countries next door to oil exporters) had sufficient refinery capacity to meet demand even before the latest period of global economic growth. Or else they suffered from a poor distribution system or official incompetence long-term. They've been resigned to queuing for fuel, and much else, for a long time. Broken systems are the norm. It's when even a day waiting in line doesn't result in a purchase, that they get pissed.

More dangerous are going to be the people who always had it when they needed it. People who simply aren't used to being turned away and told "Sorry, we have nothing for you." That's a common enough experience in the developing world, in the West it's going to be psychologically jarring.


Excellent point Twilight. In Africa, waiting in line for everything is a way of life now. In the stressed-out, hurry-up, western world, a few seconds of delay is enough to set people off big time. It will not be a pretty picture when Dad has to sit in line for 3 hours after a long day at work to get enough fuel to get to work tomorrow.

But, they will have to because they are behind on the mortgage payment and the credit card companies are breathing down their neck.

Now, imagine it is hot and humid. August. You are not running the AC because it burns up fuel. You have been waiting in line for 2 hours, and there are only 7 more vehicles in front of you. Ah, you can almost taste it. Gasoline! Suddenly, some jerkoff in a Expedition, pulls in to the station and tries to 'insert' himself into the front of the line. He is a very important person (in his own mind) and feels entitled to do so.

What happens next? Of course, everyone has a weapon because this is America and these are very dangerous times.
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby KevO » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 16:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'P')ublic anger by the middle class never seen before. At least not in my 53 years.......


but are they going to bark all day little doggies or are they going to bite?
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby auscanman » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 16:52:55

Latestarter, I could see weapons being fired in such a situation.... although the police would likely be sent to secure the gas stations by that point.

I'd be more concerned about how that same suburbanite will react when after waiting for 2 hours in steamy August weather and as he is just about to get his turn to fill up the gas station states taht it regrets to inform everyone that they have run out... sorry try later on in the week!

Working as a gas stationg attendant/cashier could well be one of the most dangerous jobs before long. An easy target for self-entitled zombies to inflict their anger on.
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Re: YouTube clips of gas shortages in Africa

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 17:00:18

A sign of things to come?
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Re: African Oil Shortages Thread

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 17:26:53

More Peak Oil rubber hitting the road in Africa.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/sunday/life/life04291.php

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I left home on Monday morning, thinking that this week would be just like any other. I stopped at Engen in Bunga, only to be told there was no diesel. I passed by more than eight stations in Kansanga, Kabalagala, Nsambya and Kibuli only to be told the same “no diesel” story.
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Re: African Oil Shortages Thread

Unread postby ohanian » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 20:49:55

William Gibson once famously said that the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed.
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Re: African oil

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 06 May 2007, 07:59:56

Depressing read on the one hand, but on the other hand the local inhabitants might manage to gain a long term beneft, if they use their new wealth to rebuild their countries to make use of electricity and electric based public transit, electric based manufacturing on a small scale to support the new infrastructure and so on.

Who am I kidding, the same robber barons will squander the income and things will stay the same. Crap, doesn't anyone have any good things to share on here any more?
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Re: African oil

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 07 May 2007, 08:16:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'D')epressing read on the one hand, but on the other hand the local inhabitants might manage to gain a long term beneft, if they use their new wealth to rebuild their countries to make use of electricity and electric based public transit, electric based manufacturing on a small scale to support the new infrastructure and so on.

Who am I kidding, the same robber barons will squander the income and things will stay the same. Crap, doesn't anyone have any good things to share on here any more?


I have to do an internship this summer and am 90% sure that I have the joc locked in. I know you were hoping for something more global like 12 megafields found in Wyoming but this is the best I can do. Sorry.
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Hunting in Africa with spears

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 08 May 2007, 19:44:07

OK, so the bodies at the end dont really mesh with the rest of the video....But otherwise, damn. I didnt realize a spear was so frickin deadly. I mean sure, I knew people used to hunt with them but wow....

And those guys are brave as hell. No way I'd face down an elephant or hippo with a pointy stick!

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Re: Hunting in Africa with spears

Unread postby Grifter » Tue 08 May 2007, 19:53:00

Thats horrible and amazing.

Thanks
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Re: Hunting in Africa with spears

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 08 May 2007, 20:07:20

Were those human graves at the end?
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Re: Hunting in Africa with spears

Unread postby Ebyss » Tue 08 May 2007, 20:13:38

I'm afraid I couldn't watch the elephant bits. They're highly endangered, and killing them seems such a pity - but if you need to eat, it's either you or him and then the choice is obvious.

The spear hunting was very interesting - one would always hope death would be immediate and as painless as possible, but when you don't have a gun you have to accept the fact that your ability to be merciful is limited.

I was disappointed to see a game hunter taking down an elephant with a gun in the first scene though - you know he ain't gonna eat it, and to kill for the sake of it is wasteful at best.

I wouldn't fancy taking on a water buffalo with spears - those things are perpetually furious. I saw one take on a pride of lionesses guarding their cubs. The cubs lost :/
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