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After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 15:37:21

The recent discussions about global warming and the expected rise in sea levels got some questions buzzing around in my head. Naturally, the sea levels wouldn't stay as "high" forever and would retreat after a while (not sure of any ranges actually). But after they retreat, would the soil that the waters had 'briefly' been over be more or less friendly to vegetation?

Natural flooding is good for the soil because it replenishes the soil with nutrients. But would salt water have the same beneficial effects or would they be the opposite?
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby Lore » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 16:17:07

That would depend on how much of the submerged soils nutrients were leached out of the sediment over time.

You may have to wait one full turn of the Milankovich cycle that controlled the ice ages before water is recaptured again as ice. This can be anywhere from 22,000 to 100,000 years, give or take, minus man's influence.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 16:29:02

Lands flooded by the ocean could end up very high in Salt content when they dry out again. It takes a very long time for this to be leached out and back into the oceans.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 17:05:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'L')ands flooded by the ocean could end up very high in Salt content when they dry out again. It takes a very long time for this to be leached out and back into the oceans.


The question I'm asking is: Is that bad? I couldn't remember and was just wondering.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:14:32

Small areas of land are rising up out of the ocean right in Juneau, Glacier Bay and parts of SE Alaska where glaciers have retreated enough to "unload" the crust and allow isostatic rebound and uplift.

As much as 10-20 feet of uplift has occurred in some areas in Glacier Bay.

The uplifted land already has trees on it.

Some friends of mine studied this and found that it only takes a few decades for plants and trees to become established on this newly uplifted land.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:26:56

Rome salted the ground at Carthage so nothing could grow and I can't imagine that salt water would be good for the soil.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 07:30:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'L')ands flooded by the ocean could end up very high in Salt content when they dry out again. It takes a very long time for this to be leached out and back into the oceans.


Not really. The rain will wash out the top layers over only a few years. Of course deeper soils will take longer... also if there isn't much rain.

Here in Australia, one of our tree-planting groups (Men of the Trees, or Greening Australia) did an experiment in reclaiming salt-scalded land in Victoria or New South Wales. They dug channels out from the centre of the salted land and piled the soil beside the channels, forming a pattern like corregated iron spreading out from the centre of the scald. They measured the salt levels in the piled dirt and the levels dropped low enough to grow Australian natives within 2 or 3 years, just from natural rainfall.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby mekrob » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 09:04:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Not really. The rain will wash out the top layers over only a few years. Of course deeper soils will take longer... also if there isn't much rain.


So then if we do get an extra 10-20 feet or so of sea level increases over the next 100 years or so and it stay for a couple hundred years, give or take, then the soil will have salt in it. But then if there are heavy enough rains, which is pretty natural, then there could be a net positive for the environment, since it would provide nutrients to the soil?

I'm debating whether or not it's better for the Earth and the future of life for global warming, and the subsequent rise in sea levels, to occur or not.
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Re: After the sea levels rise and then retreat

Unread postby Lore » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 09:13:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')I'm debating whether or not it's better for the Earth and the future of life for global warming, and the subsequent rise in sea levels, to occur or not.


Yeah, if you want to ignore all the other problems associated with it, like pestilence, disease, famine, and mass species extinction, and don't count on a few 100 years before the water is recaptured as ice. As I said it will be 10s of millennia before a balance would possibly be regained similar to a pre-industrial climate.

The bottom line is this is not a natural event, but is happening far too rapidly.
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