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Unread postby KevO » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 16:24:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il rose, supported by refinery outages across the US -- heightening concerns of a gasoline shortage ahead of the peak demand driving season.

Supply jitters outweighed reports of 'easing' tensions between Iran and the EU which, in part, pushed prices lower at yesterday's close.

Oil was lifted by news of 'ongoing refinery issues in the States, the strength in gasoline (prices), strong gasoline demand and inventory levels looking rather worrying low,' said Barclays (nyse: BCS - news - people ) Capital analyst, Kevin Norrish.



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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 18:19:41

Thanks for pointing this one out KevO, just makes the near future look as bleak as ever.

And on that note. Does anyone know of any decent Home-brew kits?
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 18:49:45

This is the first time I've seen potential gasoline shortages discussed in a semi-main stream news source (AFX) (except after hurricanes and Alaska North Slope problems).

The awareness level is increasing. Still 99% of the country will falsely conclude when shortages start it has nothing to do with peak oil.
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Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:24:09

I put up a warning about shortages in the survival and prep forum on a homesteading board. The first reply was about the oil companies using their profits to build refineries. I pointed out that was fine and you're looking at years before you can get the gas so perhaps prepping was inorder. the reponse was about yes prep but remember the oil companies have screwed us. The thread then rapidly devolved into discussion about water and wheat shortages as well.

These people are paranoid and prep regularly. They still failed to grasp how serious this issue is and prefer to blame the oil companies. The general public has zero clue whats going to happen to them.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:53:40

I fully expect to see empty stations this summer in parts of the US.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:01:28

I keep sending out the alarm bells on others forums with proper data to back things up. No, I'm not talking out of my ass sheeple! I'm talking to grown adults, many in their 30's or older. They ALL think this is some kind of joke and just make fun & ridicule me. I'm totally fabergasted. These kids nowadays.......

The only other forum I've received respect from on this issue, the majority of the members are in their 50's or 60's. Age does count.
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Unread postby Sheb » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:06:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'I') put up a warning about shortages in the survival and prep forum on a homesteading board.


Strider3700,
Where is this homesteading board? I'd be interested in seeing it.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:32:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')his is the first time I've seen potential gasoline shortages discussed in a semi-main stream news source (AFX) (except after hurricanes and Alaska North Slope problems).

The awareness level is increasing. Still 99% of the country will falsely conclude when shortages start it has nothing to do with peak oil.


And they are right to falsely conclude this when there is always a readily available scapegoat for shortages. Noone is willing to say, "look back at the last 150 years and there's your reason."
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby steam_cannon » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 23:47:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') keep sending out the alarm bells on others forums with proper data to back things up. No, I'm not talking out of my ass sheeple! I'm talking to grown adults, many in their 30's or older. They ALL think this is some kind of joke and just make fun & ridicule me. I'm totally fabergasted. These kids nowadays.......

The only other forum I've received respect from on this issue, the majority of the members are in their 50's or 60's. Age does count.
Yeah, unlike myself, most young people don't have an awareness of history. 30 year olds were wearing diapers while their Moms waited in gas lines during 1970's gas shortages. It's just the average person has to experience problems to believe in them and they don't have that experience. :roll:
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Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 23:55:45

It hit when I was 19. I remember buying gas was a major event. I recall gathering my college books and notes and studying while waiting in the queue. I had a VW Beetle which was light so I pushed it to the pump to save gas. I also had a few cold ones while waiting and maybe a bit more... heh.

The point is, we made the best of the situation and for the 8 or 12 weeks it wasn't all that bad. What was bad was the price rise from 35 cents to 75 cents. [s] If[/s] When lines like that happen again the prices will be well over $5.00. Watching all those dorks blow $100.00 or $150.00 to fill up their 12 mpg SUV's and urban pick-ups will be absolutely hilarious. I can't wait... :lol: :-D
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Eli » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 23:56:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'T')hanks for pointing this one out KevO, just makes the near future look as bleak as ever.

And on that note. Does anyone know of any decent Home-brew kits?


Are you talking about beer?

If you are brewing beer it is a great hobby and really not hard at all.

Go down to your local home brew shop and they will set you up. I like to put my beer in 5 gallon Cornelius soda kegs. I actually have 10 gallons of beer on tap right now one is an IPA and the other is a Belgian white ale. You can make some very really nice home brews. The beers I make are as good if not better than what you can buy commercially. [url=http://]Tastybrew[/url] this is a great website that will tell you all you need to know.
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Unread postby Mechler » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 23:57:16

Anyone think that the shortages will be severe enough to impact food deliveries to grocery stores? Did anything like that happen in the '70s?

I don't care so much if I can't get gas - I do care if I can't get food!

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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:05:48

Spot shortages already occurring in Denver (saw this linked off LATOC):

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/e ... 04,00.html
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Eli » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:07:05

The just in time delivery model is set up to fail when there are fuel supply problems.

That is the whole point there is a minimum of excess stock on the shelves. In areas of California and Colorado I could see store shelves running bare. Will people starve that is very doubtful but there will probably be lots of people eating canned lima beans for a week because that is all they can get.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:21:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', 'A')nyone think that the shortages will be severe enough to impact food deliveries to grocery stores? Did anything like that happen in the '70s?

I don't care so much if I can't get gas - I do care if I can't get food!

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I would assume that commerce, including food deliveries to your local grocer, would react in accordance with its ability to absorb the increases. Inflation, I would think, would begin to take hold as the increased cost of fuel is passed on to the price of consumer goods.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Mechler » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:25:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '
')The awareness level is increasing. Still 99% of the country will falsely conclude when shortages start it has nothing to do with peak oil.


DP,

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't logical for most people to conclude that the current gas shortages have nothing to do with PO in light of the fact that US crude inventories are within averages (and increased this week, too, right?)

From what I've read from you and Pup, the main problems are refinery related (blame it on post-Katrina operations), lack of imports, and demand. Are any of the problems due to increased heavy oil (peak light sweet crude)?

Are there other links to PO that I'm missing? Naturally, if the refineries were not being supplied with enough crude we could cite PO, but that's not the case right now.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Mechler » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:30:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakingAroundtheCorner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', 'A')nyone think that the shortages will be severe enough to impact food deliveries to grocery stores? Did anything like that happen in the '70s?

I don't care so much if I can't get gas - I do care if I can't get food!

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I would assume that commerce, including food deliveries to your local grocer, would react in accordance with its ability to absorb the increases. Inflation, I would think, would begin to take hold as the increased cost of fuel is passed on to the price of consumer goods.


Yes, but I'm not worried about inflation. I'm worried that the truck that delivers Cheerios to the store can't get gas and, therefore, can't deliver the Cheerios.
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Blueberry » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 00:34:22

Is there a way to store gasoline for an emergency?
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby Mechman » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 02:35:10

>Blueberry

>Is there a way to store gasoline for an emergency?


Only for an emergency Blueberry? The future will most probably become one long emergency, with increasing problems. We just don't know the rate. Start storing now and rotate your gasoline stock monthly or yearly depending on your method of storage. You should not be relying on "Just In Time" for critical items you need now and in the future. Unless you can walk to work or move closer to work to walk or bike (street pizza?) fuel is just as important to you as food (and that should not be JIT as well). People that can get to work can get paid. People that can't go to work usually don't get paid, unless you are retired or self-sufficient so you don't need pay.

Good links are below:

Peakoil.com Forum Index -> Planning For The Future
[Transportation] Gasoline Containers and Storage
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic28456.html

GAO report blackout
http://peakoil.com/fortopic28363.html

Stockpiling Gas?
http://peakoil.com/fortopic27916.html
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Re: US Gas shortage concern

Unread postby KevO » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 07:05:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', 'A')nyone think that the shortages will be severe enough to impact food deliveries to grocery stores? Did anything like that happen in the '70s?

I don't care so much if I can't get gas - I do care if I can't get food!

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or more importantly, water!
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