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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 19:47:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'D')on't go all doomerish about peak oil, sure it's a problem, but compared to war, global warming, poverty, AIDS, environmental degradation, pollution, over population, nuclear weapons, income inequality, and emergent epidemics it's an easy one to fix.


And those winning lottery numbers are? And don't say 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. (And no I didn't need to google those).

I see you forgot to mention the tiny issue of Die Off there but.

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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby Rogozhin » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 20:51:22

Hi lady-t

I'm new too, but I've been lurking for a year :)

I was invloved with commerical farming for 6 years (when I was in my 20s). I was offered a custom combine operation with no money down, just a percentage of the gross-but I turned it down to go to college.

What I do know is that PO is going to make food so expensive that any other expense of living will take second seat.

We used 450 gallons of diesel a day.

I'm buying some land of my own (after a nasty divorce from a woman that didn't want to learn to homestead) and feeling very good about it!

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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 21:01:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rogozhin', 'I')'m buying some land of my own (after a nasty divorce from a woman that didn't want to learn to homestead) and feeling very good about it!

Rogo


When the end times come a woman who doesn't want to homestead will be a big liability. Better that you got rid of her now.

Perhaps someone should start a PO dating service where the ladies who like to homestead can find like-minded gents.
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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 21:11:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', '
')I see you forgot to mention the tiny issue of Die Off there but.

Welcome on board lady t


Shhhhh! Why do you people always want to scare them away! 8)
Yeah wish you were my neighbor lady t and all of dinopello's x's live in texas.....couldnt help myself :)
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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby nero » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 02:42:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'A')nd those winning lottery numbers are? And don't say 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. (And no I didn't need to google those).


High oil prices leading to improved efficiency, recession and the development of alternatives.

Boring answer eh? That was kind of my point. Peak oil is kind of boring. The other challenges are much more interesting.
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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby max_power29 » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 03:54:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
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Oh, I have lots of good friends from Texas, but that's also where my 'Ex" is from, and we all know how that worked out. What a dilema. Anyway, welcome to the funhouse (or madhouse)!


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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sun 22 Apr 2007, 20:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'A')nd those winning lottery numbers are? And don't say 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. (And no I didn't need to google those).


High oil prices leading to improved efficiency, recession and the development of alternatives.

Boring answer eh? That was kind of my point. Peak oil is kind of boring. The other challenges are much more interesting.


Only in a matter that without the oil, conquering the challenges becomes a real head scratcher.
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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sun 22 Apr 2007, 20:05:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'A')nd those winning lottery numbers are? And don't say 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. (And no I didn't need to google those).


High oil prices leading to improved efficiency, recession and the development of alternatives.

Boring answer eh? That was kind of my point. Peak oil is kind of boring. The other challenges are much more interesting.


Only in a matter that without the oil, conquering the challenges becomes a real head scratcher.
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Re: hello, i am new here

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 22 Apr 2007, 23:18:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lady-t', '
')i am convinced that the world as we know it now is going to change drastically in the not so distant future and i am trying to get my shit together before it hits the fan


It sounds like you have a really good start on things, lady-t.

Welcome! I think you'll find the topics discussed here interesting and timely.

I also love the outdoors and getting my back into my work; unfortunately I am stuck in the city for the time being but am looking for the opportunity to move away.
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Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Sheb » Tue 24 Apr 2007, 23:39:08

Greetings All,

I have been lurking and reading the posts on this site for several months and figure, since I will be posting from time to time, that I should Introduce myself.

I am a mechanical engineer currently I live in the piedmont region of Virginia. On the side, I am also in the Navy Reserves as an engineering duty officers where I work primarily with ship/sub design, construction, and maintenance (including some old wooden ones we look after).

Although currently living in virginia, I desire to be in an area with significantly less population density, though--which steers me somewhat clear of the coastal states. This saddens me a little since I have so much family here, including a 103-year-old great-grandmother in Hampton Roads, whose geneology traces back to John and Rebecca Rolfe. But *alot* has changed in Virginia, and the globe, in 400 years. That said, I will be moving to northtern New Mexico within a few months, with the objective of acquiring land and learning, step by step, to live with that land--separate from "the grid".

As far as my interests go In my degrees, I have focused, respectively, on structural, thermal, and fluid dynamics, so although I may be a bit of a technogeek, I'm a well-rounded one:) My interests are in sustainable living from a stystem standpoint. As most who come to this site are aware, the system on which we dwell--the earth--is not being inhabited by us in any sort of sustainable manner. At least not as far as we are concerned. And the implications are extremely unpleasant from the human point of view. But my interests lie in developing the techniques and knowledge to live that way. Currently, I have been designing solar cells, solar water heaters and passive convective heating/cooling systems--combustion and radiant energy were my masters and doctoral study areas. My goal is not to make a suburban oasis in the high desert--it is simply to develop the systems necessary to make a sometimes deadly environment livable withough depending on our petro-industrial complex.

More than anything, though, I have seen alot of well-thought arguments, plans, and opinions described on this site. And many diverse and opposing ones as well, which makes for a very healthy discussion. Anyway, I look forward to sharing information, ideas, and debate with the rest of you!
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 24 Apr 2007, 23:52:34

Welcome.
Why New Mexico? and....Have you thought about IC, intentional community?

Regardless, I applaud anyone capable of seeing PO for what it is and then moving in the right/sustainable direction and I am glad to have you as a member.

We need more people like this and less apathetic nihilistic types.

Yep, welcome aboard.
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby aldente » Wed 25 Apr 2007, 00:15:41

How do you mentally digest the underlaying current of the PO message? For some of us it means dealing with details on the surface, for others it refers to dealing with personal (or even general) expiration.
The subject matter cannot be grasped, worded or nailed down really or can it? Is there an expiration date stamped on mankind?

One thing is for sure, only a small fraction of the general population has the ability to sense the message and you for sure qualify, welcome to the club!
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Sheb » Wed 25 Apr 2007, 09:36:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')'m glad your goal is not to make a suburban oasis in the high desert. :)


Pstarr,
Well, that would be a vision of hell to me. What would make it so is the excess, waste, and non-sustainability of it all. I would even go so far to say that If earth were a supernatural force, such as Gaia, then the developed/developing world's suburbia and all that supplies it, as it has culminated in recent decades, would represent the most complete hubris imaginable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')As for 'structural, thermal, and fluid dynamics,' I'm sure this knowledge will contribute the design, managment, and maintenance of your high-desert retreat solar composter. Maintaining proper carbon/nitrogen balance, and humidity and air flow in one of these puppies can be demanding.


The way you put it, it makes my head spin just thinking about it. No doubt, I have alot to learn! Are there forums for survival in arid and semi-arid environments?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Albente', ' ')How do you mentally digest the underlaying current of the PO message? For some of us it means dealing with details on the surface, for others it refers to dealing with personal (or even general) expiration.
The subject matter cannot be grasped, worded or nailed down really or can it? Is there an expiration date stamped on mankind?


Albente,
There's *alot* of information on this site. To me, all this information together goes a long way in comprising the PO message--and it will take a while to digest a significant portion of it. To that end, what I have been doing is reading as much as I can about a subject--immersing myself in it. Eventually, I have enough of an understanding to proceed. That's what I've been doing since reading Hirsch's report a year ago.

"Peak Oil" in all of its broadness *can* be grasped, although that does not mean that it *will*. On an individual level, many *will* grasp the issue at hand. And if we those individuals are successful and if their numbers are great enough, then humanity as a whole may also eventually grasp it, albeit through future historians. In fact, those potential future historians might even look to these archives to understand it themselves.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Albente', ' ')One thing is for sure, only a small fraction of the general population has the ability to sense the message and you for sure qualify, welcome to the club!


Thanks...I hope you are right. If the problem plays out to anywhere near the gruesome magnitude that many warn, then some understanding of the what "Peak Oil" may mean may be the difference between life and death. Literally--one only needs look to events such as the U.S. Great depression, the Weimar Republic, the Irish Potato Famine, the Soviet Sarvation and Stalinist Purges...etc. Ahead of us looms a global bottleneck, but there are already many histories that upon whose lessons we can draw.
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Sheb » Wed 25 Apr 2007, 10:54:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')elcome.
Why New Mexico? and....Have you thought about IC, intentional community?

Regardless, I applaud anyone capable of seeing PO for what it is and then moving in the right/sustainable direction and I am glad to have you as a member.

We need more people like this and less apathetic nihilistic types.

Yep, welcome aboard.


Neopo,
New Mexico was based on a combination of factors, including sunlight, population, and topography. Also, It is high on the list for my long-time girlfriend, a Nurse and horse enthusiast. Plus we both wanted to go somewhere where people *would not* be flocking to, while still habitable enough to make a living, and eventually form a community. We both like space, so it did not make sense to either of us to live somewhere where people can live a long time, perhaps coasting on a plateau, at densities of a family per acre or more. It is my assesment that northern New Mexico just could not sustain that even for the short run. A family per 10-100 acres is more like it (depending on where you are), and is more our style. Plus, more rural areas should be a little more stable in the event of national crisis. The relative disadvantages are many, but they are disadvantages we can both deal with. The disadvantages of living in a densely populated coastal or urban area are not.

I don't really know much about IC's. Twin Oaks near me is the only one I know of and it is exactly the type of thing I want to avoid. Many people who want to save the world live there. Unfortunately, there idea of saving the world means enabling the most humans possible to live on it. There has been another one near by called the Quarries, touting affordable living and ecological sustainability. It is neither. At lot prices of $10k to $20k per acre, and $15k required in fees and costs before scratching the soil, I'm not interested. Did you have any IC's in mind?
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 09:58:31

Yep. Welcome to the End of the World!
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 13:44:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'Y')ep. Welcome to the End of the World!

Is it like, a test around here, you do your best to scare them away and they self-select? [smilie=icon_lol.gif]
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 18:11:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'Y')ep. Welcome to the End of the World!

Is it like, a test around here, you do your best to scare them away and they self-select? [smilie=icon_lol.gif]


Where's the Grim Reaper Emoticon?

I guess the violin playing as the ship goes down is the most sorrowful I could find.

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Well if they aint got the balls to survive a Forum. How they gonna survive when real shit starts happening? hahahaha!
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Sheb » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 10:22:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', '
')Where's the Grim Reaper Emoticon?

I guess the violin playing as the ship goes down is the most sorrowful I could find.

[smilie=eusa_boohoo.gif]

Well if they aint got the balls to survive a Forum. How they gonna survive when real shit starts happening? hahahaha!


True enough. While funny to joke about, a sudden drop in resources won't be funny for anyone. Not even you Gazzatrone. In fact, it will be eventually fatal for many/most people. *Eventually*. For, if sickness, thirst, starvation, and violence don't kill you outright, they can certainly put a damper on longevity.

Smiles aside...how familiar are you with the Irish Potato Famine? The post-civil war south (U.S).? The great depression? Stalinist Russia (50Million Dead!)? The ultimate fate of the Easter Islanders and Greenlanders. Anyone can joke about these things, and insinuate that one needs to be "tough" to hang with a web forum. But could you survive those situations? Could you kill if you had to? Do you have any kind of significant resource supply, backup plan, and network. And most importantly, do you have calluses on your hands? If you don't, then stay with the website, for reality will be much less forgiving. ;)
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 12:11:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', '
')Where's the Grim Reaper Emoticon?

I guess the violin playing as the ship goes down is the most sorrowful I could find.

[smilie=eusa_boohoo.gif]

Well if they aint got the balls to survive a Forum. How they gonna survive when real shit starts happening? hahahaha!


True enough. While funny to joke about, a sudden drop in resources won't be funny for anyone. Not even you Gazzatrone. In fact, it will be eventually fatal for many/most people. *Eventually*. For, if sickness, thirst, starvation, and violence don't kill you outright, they can certainly put a damper on longevity.

Smiles aside...how familiar are you with the Irish Potato Famine? The post-civil war south (U.S).? The great depression? Stalinist Russia (50Million Dead!)? The ultimate fate of the Easter Islanders and Greenlanders. Anyone can joke about these things, and insinuate that one needs to be "tough" to hang with a web forum. But could you survive those situations? Could you kill if you had to? Do you have any kind of significant resource supply, backup plan, and network. And most importantly, do you have calluses on your hands? If you don't, then stay with the website, for reality will be much less forgiving. ;)


Well I grow my own fruit and veg as it is, having a pretty good sized garden even for london at 30m x 15m. with plenty of room so I can construct raised beds on seperate tiers. Although not all of that is turned over for crops....just yet. As for callouses, well having worked on film construction for many a year and not shy of manual labour I don't need to worry there. I have the skills to mend and repair if need be. Working in Film and Tv Art department that is funded by a snapped shoestring, you have to be creative and resourceful.

And I joke because it isn't depressing anymore. Acceptance is a liberating thing. The idea that if you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs rings true. If you can see the storm ahead of you then you know to avoid it or best ride it.
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Re: Introduction from new poster

Unread postby Pops » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 14:08:11

Hi Sheb, welcome.

Not much call for subs here in the Ozarks but it will be nice to have your input in the planning forum. There are lots of smart folks around this board but two heads are better than one they say.

Feel free to bump up any of the older threads you come across to add your perspective and expertise.

Good luck in your new endeavor!
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