[vision-master]

I've been sounding the alarms bells across the Net. I posted a thread about peak oil on one motorcycle forum. The Admin locked the thread yesterday. Today I posted another thread with some charts & stuff. Checked back ather taking the dog on her daily nature walk (hunting time for her). Account has been suspended! How about oil has been suspended? :haha:

[Merlin]

In my experience, the denial runs pretty deep. I just received word that a coal mining stock that I own is subject to a friendly tender offer by another company. I've been talking to my broker about what to do with the proceeds. Several times in the recent past we've discussed energy issues and my desire to own shares of natural resources companies. He persists in recommending companies in China because the economy is "booming over there." But what kind of companies does he recommend? A Hong Kong Internet provider... Bank of China... LOL How are these a suitable replacement for a coal mining company, given the conversations I've had with him about the impending energy crisis?

[simontay78]

You are trying to kill their members to be non-motoring fans! LOL
therefore they are trying to block you! haha...anyway forums that supports use of oil or motoring forum are very sensitive...maybe strong in denial...

If you started the tread with...small bells such as...alternative fuel is the new trend...what new EV cars are you considering Japanese or Korean or European? They might think you are guru or something..haha

Anyway...hope they don't block your IP address otherwise you will need to reset your IP address from your modem or something to register back.

Cheers!

[UncoveringTruths]

Send the admin a copy of the GAO report as Peak Oil is no longer considered a fringe or whacky conspiracy. The damn government acknowledged it. Biker Bob may not like reality though.

[Crypto]

Many folks think that PO is smoke and mirrors.

I have noticed on other forums (non PO) that whenever PO is brought up, the poster often acts like a new religious convert wishing to immediately convert those around him/her.

There is a way to get the message you wish out, you don't need to bludgeon folks with it.

Also, the question comes to mind, why would you be discussing PO on, say, a knife forum? Since that forum revolves around knives, that should be the subject. If PO comes up, then suggest your favorite PO site.

Just a thought.

DC

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', 'S')end the admin a copy of the GAO report as Peak Oil is no longer considered a fringe or whacky conspiracy. The damn government acknowledged it. Biker Bob may not like reality though.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Crypto', 'A')lso, the question comes to mind, why would you be discussing PO on, say, a knife forum? Since that forum revolves around knives, that should be the subject. If PO comes up, then suggest your favorite PO site.

Just a thought.

DC

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')'ve been sounding the alarms bells across the Net. I posted a thread about peak oil on one motorcycle forum. The Admin locked the thread yesterday. Today I posted another thread with some charts & stuff. Checked back after taking the dog on her daily nature walk (hunting time for her). Account has been suspended! How about oil has been suspended? :haha:

[steam_cannon]

More ranting on my part...

People who study Peak Oil can look at a map and see a place looks like it should be underwater.


But I bet Joe here didn't spend much time thinking about maps and water levels.


At least this Joe found beer...


But telling the average Joe their boat land is going to sink? Their oil is going to run out! Yeah right! Like trying to get people to move off the pretty mountain with nice ash soil and exciting fireworks!


It is a gesture of kindness to try and tell people, but unfortunately it's their nature not to listen. Man, this sort of stuff could give a person a bad attitude.

[Don35]

Deal w/ all the sheeple out in the world. But that makes this place even more special. Feel the love everybody!

[gg3]

The only people I've run into who won't listen are the ones who are so ideologically committed to Bush that they think victory in Iraq is around the corner.

But the key is how you put the message across.

First of all, wait for appropriate context. For example when someone complains about the price of gasoline.

Second, respond by mentioning PO in passing or in a manner that is not threatening. For example, "Yeah, but it's not coming back down. Ever hear of peak oil? We've tapped out about half the world's petroleum supplies. Supply growth slows down, then plateaus, and then starts to decline slowly. Meanwhile demand keeps increasing. Supply and demand: prices go up. It's not going to change until we have substitute energy sources on line."

Third, if you want to hint at a nasty future, you have to use examples that are within the range of experience or at least imaginable to the other person. For example, "Remember the gas lines of the 70s? And remember the word Stagflation? But hey at least we're not going to have to endure 1970s fashions coming back!"

The two above points will plant the seed so the person will tend to notice news items after that. After a while they will start to recognize the nature of the problem. Then they will come to you acting as if they've just had a revelation from God or made this huge discovery all by themselves. At that point you do not goat, you do not take credit for planting the seed. Instead you listen, and you affirm what they're saying.

Fourth, always give someone something to do within their capabilities. For example buying a more efficient car or using public transit. Yeah we know that efficient gas-powered cars are a bandaid on an amputation until we have a nuclear/wind/solar grid and electric vehicles, but the point is to get them thinking about what they can do.

Give them something that they can do imediately and take positive credit for. Even something as simple as conserving power for heating & cooling. For example, "If you reduce your heating & cooling bill by about 5%, that will offset the next year of petroleum decline." Or, "Remember Jimmy Carter and his sweaters? Well he was right about that. And sweaters are cool anyway."

As for specialized forums:

For motorcycles, that's a no brainer:

"Good bike mechanics will be in big demand as peak oil hits and gas prices start taking off..."

"Those classic bikes are going to be even more valuable when people start switching to motorcycles to save gas as peak oil hits..."

For almost anything else, you can find a connection that ties into some kind of positive reinforcement of some element of someone's behavior. OK you won't find that on a Lincoln Navigator Fan Club site, but "most" sites anyway!

The key to making this work is to be solution-oriented rather than problem-oriented. No one wants to be stuck with a problem they can't solve. Everyone likes a puzzle they can solve. Even if the solution is only a temporary fix on the way to a catastrophe: it will at least get them thinking.

Works for me. It can work for you.

[vision-master]

It's kind of fun to drop the slegde hammer on em.

[pea-jay]

Breaking past denial is hard enough...but even tougher is getting someone who gets the concept but fails to contemplate or even remember the ramifications. I presented the whole concept to planning commission in the afternoon, to which they agreed this was a problem of serious magnitude. A few hours later they were worried about another 20-30 years of low density sprawl being foisted on the area like it was guarenteed to happen.