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Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Narz » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 20:04:11

Can cats, spoiled by daily feedings, learn to survive completely on their own in a rural setting, do you think?

I love my cats (as might be obvious by my avatar) and I want to be able to have them around during tough times (obviously that'd be comforting).

I take really good care of my little fur bundles and I hope they live to 25. I figure even if I couldn't acquire enough meat to feed them on a regular basis I could give 'em fresh chicken eggs and goat's milk and they could catch the difference (they're outdoor cats and know how to hunt).

Thoughts on this topic?

I'd like to have a dog someday too (a big dog, little dogs are for women ;)) and I imagine keeping a 50-80 pound dog alive would be alot more work (though, being omnivorous might help a little).
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 20:40:43

There is an Indian with a sore ass whom I suspect will enter this thread soon enough to chastise you on pet ownership in general. Don’t worry, there are plenty more spankings that can be dished out here as well.

Rice can keep a dog alive quite comfortably and rice keeps very well. Store rice, it can be suppemented with meat from a variety of sources.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Narz » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:17:36

You have any pets lateralus?
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:28:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'Y')ou have any pets lateralus?


Yes. I have four cats, one dog, and one rabbit.

Our cats are Zeus, Apollo, Obi, and Sylvester. Our dog is named Shelby. The rabbit is Chloe. [smilie=grommit.gif]

I love them all very much, no matter what some people may say.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:33:53

I am getting a Sib. Husky on Monday. It is a white-tan male.

Siberian huskies are extremely food efficient. Do you think Siberia was a cornucopia of food? A husky can live of a cup of dry food with some extra meat and fat during the winter months.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:49:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'I') am getting a Sib. Husky on Monday. It is a white-tan male.



I had a half-wolf/ half-husky companion as a child when I moved back to Canada from Australia. Nice dogs. Mine was a little more wild than others, as I am sure you can guess.

When I lived in South Africa I had a Rottweiler, cool dog, and a great watch dog. Nice friend he was, had stomach problems, didn't make it. Sad story.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Bas » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:57:27

how did the cat get so fat? [smilie=new_ukliam2.gif]
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Loki » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 22:45:48

I've thought a bit about this myself. I take care of a grumpy old cat and will spring a mutt dog out of the pound as soon as my situation allows. Your ability to feed them long term is really dependent on the individual animals and your situation. If you and your loved ones are starving, the animals will come last, it won't be a choice.

But I don't think things will get that bad. Think of how many animals people who are dirt poor have. Dogs are omnivores and can eat just about anything. The early fur traders in my area said dogs were ubiquitous in Indian villages and that they mostly ate fish offal and other throw-away garbage (including the corpses of slaves). Cats can live off of small rodents, of course, which is why we originally had them around. But I know my cat is too old and set in her ways to learn subsistence hunting. Hell, she'd rather starve than eat a new brand of kibble (literally).
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 23:06:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')Your ability to feed them long term is really dependent on the individual animals and your situation. If you and your loved ones are starving, the animals will come last, it won't be a choice.


How will people with children feed their children when formula and bottled baby food runs out? Same question, different angle. It comes down to the quality of the provider. A weak provider will do nothing for you, as a human, as well as 'you' as an animal. Get it?

I suspect that my cats will do better, in the long run, than my neighbours human children will, based on my sound planning for their 'well being'.

It really does come down to planning. Piss poor planning will kill the best of all humans, let alone a pet.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Narz » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 00:02:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'H')ow will people with children feed their children when formula and bottled baby food runs out?

Titties! [smilie=blob5.gif] [smilie=blob5.gif]
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 00:23:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'H')ow will people with children feed their children when formula and bottled baby food runs out?

Titties! [smilie=blob5.gif] [smilie=blob5.gif]


I give you an A for humour.

But seriously, do you know how long a new mother can 'milk her calf', provided that she has the proper nutrients in a 'post apocalyptic world'? Take a guess.

This goes back to proper planning again.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 01:22:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')Your ability to feed them long term is really dependent on the individual animals and your situation. If you and your loved ones are starving, the animals will come last, it won't be a choice.


How will people with children feed their children when formula and bottled baby food runs out? Same question, different angle. It comes down to the quality of the provider. A weak provider will do nothing for you, as a human, as well as 'you' as an animal. Get it?

I suspect that my cats will do better, in the long run, than my neighbours human children will, based on my sound planning for their 'well being'.

It really does come down to planning. Piss poor planning will kill the best of all humans, let alone a pet.


Have you seen the vet bills people spend for pets? Those stupid Americans ;) think of their pets (particularly dogs and cats) as their smaller, furrier children. (Although, if the family is Italian, the humans and animals are equally as furry).

Of course, for baby formula, according to my medieval texts, a mixture of milk cream and honey is best for a baby.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 01:23:57

Sorry. My wife is a vet. Problem solved.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Narz » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 01:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'I') give you an A for humour.

[smilie=icon_joker.gif]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'B')ut seriously, do you know how long a new mother can 'milk her calf', provided that she has the proper nutrients in a 'post apocalyptic world'? Take a guess.

About six months IIRC.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'T')his goes back to proper planning again.

It always does.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'H')ave you seen the vet bills people spend for pets? Those stupid Americans ;) think of their pets (particularly dogs and cats) as their smaller, furrier children. (Although, if the family is Italian, the humans and animals are equally as furry).

I spent tons of money on my last cat. Got him all his shots. Feline lukemia, feline AIDS, all that shit. He ended up getting both anyway (from fighting probably). I also let my friends smoke around him, he died with both the mentioned diseases but of a lung infection. :(

My cats now I never take to the vet but I feed them really well (organic cat food and raw meat, bones & organs + free range eggs and nutritional yeast) and they're the softest, healthiest cats I've ever met. :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'O')f course, for baby formula, according to my medieval texts, a mixture of milk cream and honey is best for a baby.
I think they recently found how honey is bad for infants younger than one year, I don't know why.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 01:56:36

I respect you for your love of your pets Narz. I use this phrase, perhaps to often, but what the fuck.

I salute you.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby jdmartin » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 02:23:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '
')Have you seen the vet bills people spend for pets? Those stupid Americans ;) think of their pets (particularly dogs and cats) as their smaller, furrier children. (Although, if the family is Italian, the humans and animals are equally as furry).


Within reason - meaning that the procedures can actually help my dogs - I'm willing to spend plenty to take care of my dogs. Why shouldn't I think of my dogs as my "smaller, furrier children"? What, prey tell, makes human life more valuable than a dog's life, cat's life, etc? It's this arrogant attitude that's got most of the planet into the shitstorm it's in. Only a species that thinks it's worth so much more than any other species could fuck things up the way humans have.

As for the Italian quote, I'm Italian - so is my family, and my wife's family. So kiss my ass.
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 02:30:15

I keep snakes. So long as I have them, no worries about rodents...
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 02:35:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '
')Have you seen the vet bills people spend for pets? Those stupid Americans ;) think of their pets (particularly dogs and cats) as their smaller, furrier children. (Although, if the family is Italian, the humans and animals are equally as furry).


Within reason - meaning that the procedures can actually help my dogs - I'm willing to spend plenty to take care of my dogs. Why shouldn't I think of my dogs as my "smaller, furrier children"? What, prey tell, makes human life more valuable than a dog's life, cat's life, etc? It's this arrogant attitude that's got most of the planet into the shitstorm it's in. Only a species that thinks it's worth so much more than any other species could fuck things up the way humans have.

As for the Italian quote, I'm Italian - so is my family, and my wife's family. So kiss my ass.


I was hoping the wink would convey my sentiments. I am such a damn softie for puppies (yet I have a hardened heart for people) that I actually would spend the $8000 to save my pets. Now, as far as people go, the phrase "Think of the Children" falls on deaf ears... I would like to say, "There are 6+ billion....one whiny American brat won't make a difference".

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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Narz » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 03:37:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'I') respect you for your love of your pets Narz. I use this phrase, perhaps to often, but what the fuck.

I salute you.

Thanks mate! I do the best I can.

We can't save everyone but we can ideally keep safe those close to us. :)
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Re: Pet Survival Post Peak

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 09:06:20

Medical care for both humans and animals will be scarce post-peak (a decade or more after the peak) and so it will be hard to prevent heartworms and other problems. Exotic animals that are averse to cold will not do well but the warm-blooded animals should do alright. Just a few thoughts.
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