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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 18:08:36

How much you want to bet that if your reaction in the game is to buy a gun, buy some gold, take direct action against any corporate/government entity, that piece of info will end up in some homeland security database?

I guaran-damn-tee you Big Brother will be watching.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 18:26:26

MattSavinar said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow much you want to bet that if your reaction in the game is to buy a gun, buy some gold, take direct action against any corporate/government entity, that piece of info will end up in some homeland security database?

I guaran-damn-tee you Big Brother will be watching.


As Snaggling Whiplash would say: “Drags, foiled again”. I never ceases to amaze me how smart they think they are, and how stupid they think we are. Runs like the rest of the government. But, thanks for the tip Matt.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 18:42:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]MattSavinar said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow much you want to bet that if your reaction in the game is to buy a gun, buy some gold, take direct action against any corporate/government entity, that piece of info will end up in some homeland security database?

I guaran-damn-tee you Big Brother will be watching.


As Snaggling Whiplash would say: “Drags, foiled again”. I never ceases to amaze me how smart they think they are, and how stupid they think we are. Runs like the rest of the government. But, thanks for the tip Matt.


When I read Leanan's link I thought "WTF?". I went to take a shit and while I was on the can it came to me.

It's perfect! Watch what people do in the game and that will help you take the proper "steps" to protect your interests in real life.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby seahorse » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 18:47:19

Our only hope is the Rove has lost, along with the 5 million other emails, all the data of all of "us" logging onto this website, all our many posts, all our many plans on the planning forum etc.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby SevenTen » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 19:11:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]MattSavinar said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow much you want to bet that if your reaction in the game is to buy a gun, buy some gold, take direct action against any corporate/government entity, that piece of info will end up in some homeland security database?

I guaran-damn-tee you Big Brother will be watching.


As Snaggling Whiplash would say: “Drags, foiled again”. I never ceases to amaze me how smart they think they are, and how stupid they think we are. Runs like the rest of the government. But, thanks for the tip Matt.


When I read Leanan's link I thought "WTF?". I went to take a shit and while I was on the can it came to me.

It's perfect! Watch what people do in the game and that will help you take the proper "steps" to protect your interests in real life.

Bingo.

This is not a simulation for us.

It's a simulation for them.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby jato » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 19:22:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('We're Preparing for a Crisis', 'I')magine eight people brought together by trouble: trapped together (with thousands of others) in the Denver airport by a blizzard. We had a lot of time on our hands. We talked. We bonded. Awww. How nice.

Now, here's the thing. We eight have come to believe that a crisis is coming – on April 30, to be precise. (An oil shock, or something to do with oil.) We have no proof – it's just something a guy said in an unguarded moment. He may have been putting us on. But we don't think so. We have decided to prepare.


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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Narz » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 19:52:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'H')ow about learning to ferment cabbage instead?

Homemade kraut is indeed tasty! :)
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Twilight » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 20:03:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SevenTen', 'B')ingo.

This is not a simulation for us.

It's a simulation for them.

How much would the data be worth, really?

Risk-taking behaviour in an MMO =/= Risk-taking behaviour IRL.

Plus, consider the demographic carefully:

OECD 20-35yr male low-ranking white-collar worker, probably white or asian.

That's not going to help you much when you're dealing with a lot of cities in the US, let alone the rest of the world.

OK, so people inject a lot of cultural baggage into MMOs. However, given a free-form no-risk environment, people tend to gravitate towards raiding, piracy and mercenary activities, and the only time many have ever helped build anything was after wiping those areas clean. Does that tell anyone anything useful, except that self-organisation and imperial expansionism is the default path of human society?

So they're just taking the standard game and decreasing the availability of a resource rather than matching supply to consumption? The usefulness of the experiment will be limited if the players take it for a quick joy-ride and drop it, the way they usually do.

I'm not impressed, I think if this is what you guys say it is, it only further demonstrates the tendency of the government/military to be blinded by technological crazes. This looks like bullshit.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 20:17:58

Jato,

some good picks there. I'd like the guy who plays me to be a bit studlier though.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 21:15:53

If you folks don’t think that there could be a crisis coming take a look at pupp55’s latest at Weekly US Petroleum and NG Supply Reports. It doesn’t look good, which is an unemotional way of saying; WE COULD SOON BE MIGHTLY SCREWED.

Coincidence? Possibly - but probability is not on coincidence’s side for this scenario!
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 08:35:53

There might even be a market for apocalyptic peak oil role playing games. Scavenge and try to form communities while living in a time of extreme scarcity. Evade the roving bands and military patrols that will send you to government detention centers as you struggle to exist in this brave new world. In the event of peak oil, nuclear reactors will probably malfunction and shut down so there is the possibility of roving mutant insects which would add to the excitement, if not the futuristic realism, of the game.

It looks like the original post was deleted for this thread.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Pops » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 21:26:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'H')ow much you want to bet that if your reaction in the game is to buy a gun, buy some gold, take direct action against any corporate/government entity, that piece of info will end up in some homeland security database?

I guaran-damn-tee you Big Brother will be watching.


Silly people, forget the 1984 analogies - you have bigger fish to fry.

Your biggest concern should be (IMHO) getting your taxes in, and preparing to fend for yourself should the next "Brownie" be in charge of your food supply – not some Hollywood plot or doomer-porn device like internet-game derived blacklisting .

The US government can't (even at the height of oil abundance) contain a country of 25 million people, who, for the most part, don't look or act like the majority of US citizens, and where only a small percentage is bent on violence.

How much control do you really expect a soldier to wield over Uncle Frank and Cousin Heather when virtually the entire population of 300 million is in the database for one reason or another?
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby KevO » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 05:22:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'C')orrect me if I'm wrong, but I'm starting to get the impression that maybe there's a sort of peak oil underground out there that could be a lot more extensive than any of us realize.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 08:23:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'C')orrect me if I'm wrong, but I'm starting to get the impression that maybe there's a sort of peak oil underground out there that could be a lot more extensive than any of us realize.
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http://www.transitiontowns.org/


The peak oil underground must be very underground and keep itself well hidden because there seems to be very few. However, I believe that peak oil is reaching a tipping point and that when things get really bad there will be a flood of newbies to the sites and organizations and these places must be ready to accomodate them.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 10:08:16

Maybe games are the way to reach people...

London, Tokyo Submerged by Rising Seas -- In "Second Life"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Tokyo, Amsterdam, and the entire Mediterranean island of Ibiza were inundated with floodwaters today due to rising sea levels brought on by global warming.

Or at least, that would have been the headline if events in the virtual world Second Life mirrored reality.

A rolling flood temporarily swamped several areas of the online world as part of a campaign to illustrate the potential environmental and financial impacts of climate change.

"Our message was, You may have a second life, but [you still need to] offset your second life in real life," said David de Rothschild, a London-based environmentalist and adventurer whose nonprofit Adventure Ecology helped stage today's flood.


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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 23 Apr 2007, 09:24:57

Another article about it:

A world without oil, in a game

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')In a matter of days, gas prices will skyrocket, a dwindling food supply will rot, and the oil crisis will literally stop Americans in their tracks.

How can you and your loved ones survive a crippling breakdown?

Log in to "World Without Oil," a free alternate reality game that taps our collective ingenuity to stop a plausible crisis before it happens. Or at least prepare a post-Katrina nation to deal better with a disaster.


And yes, it is getting federal funding. PBS is funding it, at least partially:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')"World Without Oil" is a joint projectof PBS's Independent Lens and its Electric Shadows Web-original programming.
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby JPL » Mon 23 Apr 2007, 18:54:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'A')nother article about it:

A world without oil, in a game

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')In a matter of days, gas prices will skyrocket, a dwindling food supply will rot, and the oil crisis will literally stop Americans in their tracks.

How can you and your loved ones survive a crippling breakdown?

Log in to "World Without Oil," a free alternate reality game that taps our collective ingenuity to stop a plausible crisis before it happens. Or at least prepare a post-Katrina nation to deal better with a disaster.


And yes, it is getting federal funding. PBS is funding it, at least partially:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')"World Without Oil" is a joint projectof PBS's Independent Lens and its Electric Shadows Web-original programming.


In several years on this site, this is definitely the stupidest thread I've ever read. Just thought I'd say that. Computer games - right. Peak-oil underground - amazing. TPTB jerking off over our actions in a virtual world - truly stunning.

I'm going to put my wellies on now and go & feed the chickens & put the horses to bed - shaking my head as I go. Bye...

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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 24 Apr 2007, 09:40:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'A')nother article about it:

A world without oil, in a game

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')In a matter of days, gas prices will skyrocket, a dwindling food supply will rot, and the oil crisis will literally stop Americans in their tracks.

How can you and your loved ones survive a crippling breakdown?

Log in to "World Without Oil," a free alternate reality game that taps our collective ingenuity to stop a plausible crisis before it happens. Or at least prepare a post-Katrina nation to deal better with a disaster.


And yes, it is getting federal funding. PBS is funding it, at least partially:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')"World Without Oil" is a joint projectof PBS's Independent Lens and its Electric Shadows Web-original programming.


In several years on this site, this is definitely the stupidest thread I've ever read. Just thought I'd say that. Computer games - right. Peak-oil underground - amazing. TPTB jerking off over our actions in a virtual world - truly stunning.

I'm going to put my wellies on now and go & feed the chickens & put the horses to bed - shaking my head as I go. Bye...

JPL


JPL,

Yo do have a point. Laughed pretty hard after reading the above post.

I stand by my suspicion that TPTB will be "jerking off" over our actions in the game if "data mining" now defines "jerking off."
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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby JPL » Wed 25 Apr 2007, 17:49:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')I stand by my suspicion that TPTB will be "jerking off" over our actions in the game if "data mining" now defines "jerking off."


Hi Matt,

If you want to data-mine there are easier ways of doing it. Giving Aaaron a couple of million is one (grin). Alternatively, give some Malaysian hacker a mere ten thousand and he'd probably have all our IP addresses logged & geo-tracked pretty quick...

The alternative, I guess, is to waste loads of public money on some strange psudo-reality exercise which proves nothing except that when let loose in cyberspace, a certain group of people have an obsession with accumulating virtual gold and killing each other. AKA 'jerking off' (grin).

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Re: We're Preparing For a Crisis

Unread postby Sheb » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 13:50:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'C')orrect me if I'm wrong, but I'm starting to get the impression that maybe there's a sort of peak oil underground out there that could be a lot more extensive than any of us realize.
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Interesting site, Newsseeker.

Speaking of Transition towns...does any know of any in the U.S? I know the area between Albuquerque and Taos NM has some interesting communities of "Earthships" (Google it to find out more). In general, I like the concept.

I imagine a truly sustainable Intentional Community (IC) would be the way to go, regarding preparing for crisis in the "First Life". Setting up such a community would be, in my opinion, a very good way to prepare for a crisis. This rules out the few I am familiar with, notably Twin Oaks near where I currently live. The reason these are ruled out is simply, not enough land. Currently there is roughly 5-acres per human of dry land on the globe. Many cases can be made for a non-fossil-fule steady limit for population growth on the order of 1-Billion (or less). Based on that, I would put the per-person land requirement for a truly sustainable IC would be somewhere between 10 and 100 acres per person. (where the denizens of such have direct control of that land and what happens to it).

I am very receptive to the idea myself, and upon my move to NM in a couple months will be looking at any opportunity to create such a community. In an effort to structure its growth, and attract people Any suggestions on how to make it, for lack of a better work, like a game? (I'm not trying to trivialize the idea...just make it interesting and designed to attract the right kind of person).
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