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From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
Re: From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
by davep » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 18:07:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'Y')ou all read the same stuff and are brainwashed into thinking nothing can be done. It feeds off people who arent happy with their own life for whatever reason. It feeds off weak and easily manipulated people. This cult attitude of "Doom and Gloom" hinders the serious discussion and education that needs to take place concerning energy, climate change and globalization. How many of you were Y2Kers??? Google Y2K and read how many people were "convinced" civilzation was over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's natural that people go a bit "oh fuck" when they first hear about Peak Oil. However, you'll find a lot of positive people on these boards are already finding ways to survive in a post-peak and powered-down manner.
And if someone does find a miracle technical cure for peak oil, there's nothing wrong with preparing for a low-impact sustainable lifestyle anyway.
What we think, we become.
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Re: From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
by Ibon » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 18:52:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'T')hats what makes the book......SELL. Doom and Gloom is an industry. Peak oil has turned into a "Cult".
Let's take your logic and healthy skepticism a moment and turn it around and use it on the Cornucopians. Do you believe that government and oil companies don't have a SELL agenda when they tell you not worry and go back to sleep and continue buying SUV's etc. From everything you have witnessed recently from examples like the Enron scandal through the lies from our government that got us into Iraq, isn't your healthy skepticism equally doubting their agenda? Couldn't one almost say that this agenda is in fact a "Cult" of consumption and that the geological reality of fossil fuel depletion represents a threat to this cult which will be met with pathological denial?
Now put the entire status quo, government and corporate interests on one side of a "sell" or "cult" agenda and then put a few ecologists like Richard Heinberg on the other side. Where do you put your trust and confidence?
If you are sincere about your comments and this topic then please continue to explore peak oil and participate in community and national events where you may even hear and meet some of these speakers as I have. I sincerely believe that those dedicated to this issue do not have a hidden "sell" agenda and are deeply committed to warning the public about what really and truely is a disaster in the making of cataclismic proportions if we don't address this in a timely fashion.
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Re: From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
by JasonHam » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 18:57:10
Davep. I couldnt agree more. In fact, preparing of a disaster should be a law. And many people classify me as a "doomer". I do think the World and the United States in particular is in for some very tough times. Things will have to change. But I'm tired of all the freaking "doom and gloom" and people who dismiss anything that possibly could develop into an enregy source as just plain crazy. There are promising new technologies and sciences that if come to fruition will solve many of these problems asscoiated with the Oil Age.
And I'm tired of these glorified Social Study "professors" making a quick buck by writing a book and scaring the hell out of people. Nothing sells like horror. Okay maybe sex. But horror is right up there. And thats what people are latching on too. People who for various reasons are unhappy in their life and wants to think thats its all going to change "soon"......just wait, its coming.......right around the corner........in the next 2-3 years........keep waiting....the end is near......just look at the facts........buy my book.....be sure to buy my book........becuase even though i think the dollar is crashing, I want 20 bucks for my book........its upon us now.....here it is.......keep waiting......its here....gloom and doom....
while the rest of the world solves problems and lives their life.
And I'm tired of these glorified Social Study "professors" making a quick buck by writing a book and scaring the hell out of people. Nothing sells like horror. Okay maybe sex. But horror is right up there. And thats what people are latching on too. People who for various reasons are unhappy in their life and wants to think thats its all going to change "soon"......just wait, its coming.......right around the corner........in the next 2-3 years........keep waiting....the end is near......just look at the facts........buy my book.....be sure to buy my book........becuase even though i think the dollar is crashing, I want 20 bucks for my book........its upon us now.....here it is.......keep waiting......its here....gloom and doom....
while the rest of the world solves problems and lives their life.
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Re: From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
by Ibon » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 19:17:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'w')hile the rest of the world solves problems and lives their life.
I think you are confusing what you see as "loser" personalities trying to make a quick buck off of their doom and gloom "story" from what is in many cases a deep frustration because we/they are living in a country who is taking close to ZERO action on this issue.
As to the rest of world solving problems around peak oil I would say Europe is the only continent that has implemented any meaningful progress with tax incitives and policies of alternative energies with an actual growing infrastructure although it is just a drop in the bucket when you examine the scale required.
So if you live here in America where the average consumer and the government and corporations are either in denial or actually blocking efforts to address consumption, don't we need urgent warnings of the dangers? I do not see this as opportunistic gloom and doom story telling!
I travel outside the US alot in foreign countries, both in the developed and developing world. I have witnessed that America seems in a more contracted place than most countries at the moment. More pessimistic, more prone to believing in doom and gloom so I do share your opinion that we seem castrated at the moment from proactive solutions. But this is result of our dysfunctional government and lack of vision, being in debt and living off of borrowed money. A national unease that something isn't going in the right direction. It's not the result of a "cult" of pessimism and negativism. It's because we are VULNERABLE! Very vulnerable. And collectively we know it at the same time we deny it. And we have no proactive consensus to do something about it.
I would redirect your frustration away from doom sayers and focus on why as a nation we are castrated.
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Re: From jaded about the world to deeply disturbed
by keehah » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 19:35:33
Jason, IMHO you need to look inside a little more for the source of these emotion.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are promising new technologies and sciences that if come to fruition will solve many of these problems asscoiated with the Oil Age.
-working in this industry as an Engineer, not in corporate sales, I'm sorry to say NO, not in time.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are promising new technologies and sciences that if come to fruition will solve many of these problems asscoiated with the Oil Age.
I'm sure you know the saying "Don't shoot the messenger."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause the scientists are challenging fundamental assumptions of our culture, such as the basis for "progress" and the consequences of "economic growth," many cannot agree with the scientists without losing their identity. This threat to the mental model is simply too great to accept. Hence you encounter two modes of response from those accepting of the prevailing paradigm: (1) the scientific data are not reliable, and (2) faith in technological progress and/or human ingenuity.
So when wondering why so many people just "don't get it," (oil depletion, overshoot etc.) whether they are your local politician or great aunt, realize there is a physiological mechanism that may preclude having a rational discussion on certain topics. The truth can only be pushed so far before rebellion occurs, hence the phrase, "To kill the messenger."
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