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U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:19:28

U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040, use to zero by 2050

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he United States could dramatically cut oil usage over the next 20-30 years at low to no net cost, said Amory B. Lovins, cofounder and CEO of the Colorado-based Rocky Mountain Institute, speaking at Stanford University Wednesday night for a week-long evening series of lectures sponsored by Mineral Acquisition Partners, Inc.

Lovins said the first automaker to develop an ultralight car will win the fuel cell race, which will dramatically increase vehicle energy efficiency and performance. He said the new design offers the best hope for Detroit to recapture its past market dominance.

He compared the current state of U.S. automakers to Boeing in 1997. Back then the airplane maker as fast-losing market share to Airbus and its margins were falling. Within a few years, the company reinvented itself with the 787 Dreamliner, an aircraft constructed of carbon composites that is 20 percent more fuel efficient than its predecessors and takes 3 days to assemble rather than 11 days for the 737. It became the fastest-selling plane in the history of the aerospace industry and the plane is sold out until 2013. Meanwhile, the new conventionally designed jumbo jet, the Airbus A320 jetliner, is two years late and over budget.

Looking down the road, Lovins said that the airplane industry believes it can make its fleet two to three times more energy efficient than it is today. There are even suggestions that cryoplanes, planes that use liquefied hydrogen gas fuel and produce no carbon dioxide emissions, could be the aircraft of the future. They are safer and more energy efficient, he claimed.

Lovins sees signs that Detroit is eyeing a Boeing-like turn around -- showing interest in light-weight composites and Ford Motor Co. brining on Alan Mulally, a former Boeing executive, now in place as CEO. He added that big changes are happening quickly in the industry.

Lovins said that Detroit should look to the American military for energy efficiency inspiration. Realizing that reliance on long oil supply chains is a major liability in the battlefield, the military is become a leader in developing and using pioneering energy technologies. It also sees the strategic value of becoming less reliant on oil imported from potentially hostile regions.


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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby TorrKing » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:28:48

The conclusion of imports being cut to zero by 2040 is probably true, but not because of the reasons stated here.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:34:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Lovins said that Detroit should look to the American military for energy efficiency inspiration.


I'm not sure if we should be looking to the military for car ideas. Remember the last time that happened:
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Anyway, even if you cut gas consumption by say 80-90% with advanced techniques, that's about 1-2 mpd of oil use just for that. Then you still use another 11-12 mpd of oil for other purposes. So we're still left with 12-14 mpd of use. But wait, this is in 33 years. Add on 2% increase in demand each year and we're demanding right back up to 23-25 mpd.

US oil production is currently about 7 mpd on a good day, declining about 2% per year (although this will increase, we'll neglect it for simplicity sake). After 33 years of declining production, the US is now only producing 3.5 mpd. Meaning we will go from importing 60% of our oil demand to about 90% still. Don't ya just love reality instead of hype and spin?
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby americandream » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:36:57

hahahahahahahahahahaha.......get the liquified seal blubber outta the fridge honey....we're taking the hummer down to the supermarket.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:38:18

Oh it might be possible, but by any measure it wont be anything approaching normal, nor will it feel good, for ANYONE.

To do this will involve pain and suffering for all, including the economy. There is no way we reduce to this without massive changes to lifestyle, consumption, and our basic everyday way of life. I find it amusing to even believe we will go there with anything appraoching normalcy.

I tend to agree with the poster above, it's likely we only really do this after a global economic meltdown of epic proportions. That is only 32 years away.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:39:21

excellent point mekrob, reality bites.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby americandream » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:44:50

Is this another example of stupendously idiotic reasoning..you bet it is...

anyways, Lovins is not going to be around in 35 years to explain why he sowed false and delaying hope....he'll have spent the dosh and be well and truly plucking the proverbial harp strings..

good on him..dudes wising up to the fact that there's no point in trying to make this mess work/
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 09:33:55

There's a mistake in the headline:

U.S. <b>WILL</b> cut oil imports to zero by 2040
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 09:49:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'e')xcellent point mekrob, reality bites.


I agree; mekrob's analysis hits the target .

So many of these rosy "articles" just completely miss it.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 11:27:24

Torjus wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he conclusion of imports being cut to zero by 2040 is probably true, but not because of the reasons stated here.


LMAO

It's like the Irish governments plan to have 20% of energy from renewables by 2030. I like to tell people it'll be 100% from renewables by 2020 because there will be no possibility of energy from any other source.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 11:48:28

What is this Airbus A320 that Lovins is talking about?

The fact-checking intern gets an 'F' for today.
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 31 Mar 2007, 01:08:41

It reminds me of Bush's push to wean us off of Middle East Oil by 2020. I think it will happen. Its the first correct thing I heard the man utter while in office. Like Lovins he will be right for exactly the wrong reasons.

Speaking of lovins, another thing that bugs me is this stupid institute he's got. Totally renewable powered but most everyone's got to drive to reach

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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby thylacine » Sat 31 Mar 2007, 02:24:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'S')peaking of lovins, another thing that bugs me is this stupid institute he's got. Totally renewable powered but most everyone's got to drive to reach


Presumabaly they will soon be driving there in ultralight fuel cell cars or hydrogen cryoplanes. Still, it's probably no worse than hordes of delegates jetting off to the other side of the world to attend peak oil conferences!
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Re: U.S. can cut oil imports to zero by 2040

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 31 Mar 2007, 02:33:06

Mekrob's analysis is flawed because one of the key figures he used is incorrect.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyway, even if you cut gas consumption by say 80-90% with advanced techniques, that's about 1-2 mpd of oil use just for that.


According to the Department of Energy, our fleet of cars, light trucks, and vans accounts for a little over 40% of U.S. oil consumption. This is between 8-9 mbpd.

If we cut fuel consumption by 80%, we would save over 7 mbpd, assuming all else remains constant. This is huge.

But you rightfully point out below that the current trend is increasing consumption. Try modelling it with say a 2% increase in VMT each year and 2% increase in car fleet size each year. You will still see a substantial reduction assuming other sectors remain constant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen you still use another 11-12 mpd of oil for other purposes. So we're still left with 12-14 mpd of use. But wait, this is in 33 years. Add on 2% increase in demand each year and we're demanding right back up to 23-25 mpd.


This is precisely why small incremental improvements in efficiency will not work. Small improvements in efficiency won't be enough to encourage reduced usage. We need a way to enact a huge paradigm shift by allowing consumers the availability of affordable, long range electric vehicles, have available midsize cars that get 70+ mpg without a reduction in size or performance with minimal cost penalty, rapid development of trolley systems similar to what was present in the 1930s so that cars aren't needed for transport, allow farmers to grow industrial hemp and use it for purposes such as biofuels and plastics, and have available high speed electric rail to offset much airplane usage. All of these things have been possible for years, some not until the 90s, others as far back as the 20s and 30s.
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