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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby MacG » Tue 20 Mar 2007, 19:09:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'W')ould it be possible for you to share my curiosity?


Sure. I can do curiosity. What are you curious about?


Life. Death. Everything.

I'll be back...
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 20 Mar 2007, 22:30:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')hose videos do not just "dare to ask questions". They accuse the entire medical establishment of mass murder. That's a huge accusation, and one that you'd better darned well be able to substantiate if you're going to make it.


In my industry, when there is a problem with a system, everyone is guilty until proven innocent. I just went through several months of hell, troubleshooting and providing data to prove, six ways since Tuesday that my end of a project was working and not causing a problem. That's just life for most of us.

Sometimes I do fuck up, sometimes when I'm forced to prove I'm not guilty and it ends up that I am, that the problem does lie with my work. Oh well, it's not the end of the world. At the end of the day, everyone is happy because we get something working. Also, people who work with me end up respecting me for my professionalism and character.

I've worked with plenty of people who lie, cheat and steal to save face. They end up making a lot of grief for everyone they work with and in the end; they end up wasting a lot of money all in the name of their own warped personal vanity. They don't see the damage they do; they are blinded by their narcissism. It happens, that's human nature. Entire empires have fallen because of it. Such people are all over society, even in the top echelons of the “medical establishment.”
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby jupiters_release » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 02:13:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'a')ccuse everyone who even dare to ask questions of the most horrific things


Those videos do not just "dare to ask questions". They accuse the entire medical establishment of mass murder. That's a huge accusation, and one that you'd better darned well be able to substantiate if you're going to make it.


I can't imagine the personal guilt I'd feel if I had prescribed AZT, reciprocally you're really in no position to blame the average hard working doctor and the medical field who were just as much deceived as their patients who died. We're all getting played like a fiddle here by global population mitigation policies and I feel sorry for the Americans whose very same reality denys them from seeing it. Our institutional mythology is both unsustainable and imo worse than the way of life it hides only for the interest of the hierarchy. If its of any consolation peak oil awareness does diminish the weight of AZT and all other medical genocides unless of course fate also made you a cornucopian. :o
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')If Duesberg wanted to settle this here and now, it'd be pretty easy. If he really believes HIV is harmless, he should inoculate himself with it and show the world. The truth is he doesn't do that because he knows damned well that it kills people. He just wants to run his mouth and sell books and doesn't really give a crap how many people die as a result.

One moron actually did that. There was much about him in TV in Britain, I would say about 7-8 years ago.
I am pretty certain, that there was an artice about him in New Scientist.
I dont know, is he dead or alive or sick or healthy now.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 13:39:01

SPG,

I can't believe you're still wasting your time on this nonsense. It's a stupid question to begin with, and it's not being supported very well by MacG or anybody else.

"Hey man, there's this guy that says AIDS isn't caused by HIV. So, prove it's not!"

I have another theory. According to my theory, if MacG took a microbiology course, he'd stop asking dumb questions.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby MacG » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 15:33:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'S')PG,

I can't believe you're still wasting your time on this nonsense. It's a stupid question to begin with, and it's not being supported very well by MacG or anybody else.

"Hey man, there's this guy that says AIDS isn't caused by HIV. So, prove it's not!"

I have another theory. According to my theory, if MacG took a microbiology course, he'd stop asking dumb questions.


You miss several important things:

I have NEVER claimed that I believe that HIV don't cause AIDS, and I have stated that repeatedly. I have noted that Peter Duesberg make a case and I think he is basically more qualified than anyone on this board to make a case, and I think he deserve to be treated seriously.

Americans often seem to have a problem with "middle ground". If there are two opposing opinions, you don't HAVE to take sides, it's fully possible to wait and listen.

I actually have studied a little microbiology, but this issue is more about virology and molecular biology, and I have studied more molecular biology. But it was a couple of years back, and a lot of things seem to have been discovered since then.

I don't know why I'm writing this. Your post is lacking content and resort to ad hominem attacks, and don't really deserve an answer at all.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby jupiters_release » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 13:52:00

Raph,

I think its been noted that SPG is a guy not a girl? And if you really believe he/she's misguided why carry on "ewe"-ing him/her ad nauseum? You chide SPG's ego yet what could motivate your 8000 word rebuttals?
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 14:17:59

Not a girl? So much for my theory that He and Raphael are a husband wife team! :lol:

another excellent post sir.
There is an evolutionary reason children fear doctors :)
I for one am fairly convinced that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and that AIDS is manmade.
Back to the emerald tablets I go.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 15:25:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')ot a girl? So much for my theory that He and Raphael are a husband wife team! :lol:

another excellent post sir.
There is an evolutionary reason children fear doctors :)
I for one am fairly convinced that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and that AIDS is manmade.
Back to the emerald tablets I go.

Manmade...does it mean "invented, unreal thing"?
Kind of fraud?
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 15:29:25

My god, this thread is going on still?

You people are fucked up. There needs to be a culling of the mentally retarded that exist on this forum.

How can anyone possibly be that fucking stupid as to believe the tripe in that video astounds me. I have personally known people who have contracted hiv and have watched them slowly die.

If I met any of you retards jackoffs in public I think I would go ahead and do the world a favor!!!
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby Kingcoal » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 17:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'M')y god, this thread is going on still?

You people are fucked up. There needs to be a culling of the mentally retarded that exist on this forum.

How can anyone possibly be that fucking stupid as to believe the tripe in that video astounds me. I have personally known people who have contracted hiv and have watched them slowly die.

If I met any of you retards jackoffs in public I think I would go ahead and do the world a favor!!!


What is your problem cynical? Go back to smoking dope please. At least then you can be a little funny sometimes.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 17:56:35

Hiv does not cause aids? Man you just pwned the modern medical science community. What are you gonna tell me next... that the earth is only 6000 years old and that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time period? Yabadabado!
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 04:17:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'H')iv does not cause aids? Man you just pwned the modern medical science community. What are you gonna tell me next... that the earth is only 6000 years old and that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time period? Yabadabado!

That already had been said on this forum about 1 or 2 months ago.
As well it had been said in some other threads, that Americans had never landed on the Moon, that G. W. Bush ordered to blow up WTC, that some evil black eyed kids (not human really) are beginning to haunt US and that laws of thermodynamic are wrong.
I like to read this open discussion, to find out some silly ideas of this kind and I sometimes dispute those and watch reaction.
Kind of entertainment.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 08:27:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '[')b]SPG please read the following...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', ' ')
I like to read this open discussion, to find out some silly ideas of this kind and I sometimes dispute those and watch reaction.
Kind of entertainment.


Yea that's right, 'limited energy' will check in occassionally, I suspect it is during FOX or CNN TV commercial breaks.

Interesting thing about Chirality...it suggests a preference for either right or left...and it is the reason AZT killed so many so early in the AIDS game...AZT can be broken down into a 'good and bad' mirror images...we should be very careful when experimenting with graven images.

Please note: Did the fucking 'expert' Dr. SPG Egostein ever mention CHIRALITY in his posts on this thread folks?


Would you still trust him / her expert self-serving (serving the ego) opinions...?

Stop listening to the loud vexatious 'smarter than thou' remarks emanating from the deluded Masters like SPG, who ... if you learn to listen to your heart, the ewe will find the mindless bleats become heartfelt beats.

THEY killed many people intentionally with 'bad medicine'.
THEY knew about Chirality since the time of Pasteur.
THEY knew what they were doing ... it was intentional to kill gays, hemophilliacs and IV drug users...with an incorrect chiral compound.
Hell that's what I would do ... if I were THEY. :twisted:

Did ewe also know that in primates and sheep 8O , brain lateralization has been found...specifically right brain hemisphere dominance used for face processsing...

Take a look in the mirror limited energy ... what do EWE see?
SPG?

namaste

Raphael

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In general chirality has nothing to do with HIV causing or not causing AIDS, albeit hypothetical mirror image of HIV would certainly not cause any disease, as it would not be processed by cell "molecular machinery".
Building blocs of living organisms or viruses are D-carbohydrates and L-aminocids.
D- aminoacids are also making rare occurence in the nature but L-carbohydrates do not.
AZT is based on azido- D-desoxyribose and this is natural configuration of carbohydrate chain. Commercial product is a single enantiomer (chiral form).
Opposite enantiomer (based on L-desoxyribose) would be most likely devoid of specific pharmacological activity (DNA chain terminator) and only display some random effects.
In any case the opposite enantiomer (other chiral form) of AZT is not contaminating commercial product.
I am not aware of attempts to synthetise and test it anyway. It cannot be made by approach used to manufacture commercial AZT.

In respect of chirality in general.
It is well known, that only one of 4 fundamental forces in physics (according to standard model) shows some chirality (eg it breaks so called CP symmetry).
It is called weak force and it is also responsible for radioactive beta decay.
There is only one example of particle (neutral kaon), which is known to decay in "chiral" fashion.
Some discussion of it may be found at: http://kpasa.fnal.gov:8080/public/pipiee/pipiee_bg.html
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 09:19:39

The experts want our trust and they have gained it from the sheeple. When they make mistakes we pay while they scurry to cover their asses.

Some would like to Kill those who no longer trust them.
Some would like to exterminate those who question everything.
Have not your kind killed enough of our kind?
From sea to shining sea the land drips with the blood of those who lived and thought differently yet how soon you wish to forget.

We stand at the edge of the deep abyss knowing full well what brought us here yet...... nothing.
No recognition that the same people with the same mentality who are asking us and ewe to trust them now were the same madmen and madwomen who led us to this precarious perch.

Have some of you learned nothing besides what you were taught by the "experts".... your well paid "masters" or may I be so bold as to call them what they really are "programmers".

They have programmed your mind, set the limits, wound you up and let you go and the worse part may be that you or your parents paid for it.
Pure fucking insanity yet par for this course.
Mind if I play through?
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 09:35:28

In a similar vein I have seen a lot of posts that colloidal silver is the cure for avian flu. Maybe HIV/AIDS as well? Who knows. A macrobiotic diet sure doesn't seem to do the trick. Nor eggs soaked in pig's blood. Nor peppermint. Go figure. Is it a government conspiracy to create a disease that will end up costing the government billions? The mad scientists who hatched this one were probably part of a rogue government agency. At least, in the movies they are.
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 05:33:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', ' ')

In general chirality has nothing to do with HIV causing or not causing AIDS, albeit hypothetical mirror image of HIV would certainly not cause any disease, as it would not be processed by cell "molecular machinery".


And in general EWE are a stupid person 'limited energy'... I also see SPG is no longer bothering me with his misinformation ... because that is what doctors do ... run and hide behind the AMA when humbled or if they bumbled they hide behind a lawyer...

'limited energy'... I did not say they used chiral compounds of HIV ... I suggested THEY used a chiral compound of AZT.

You suggested, they used chiral compound of AZT.
And so what?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HEY admit to the crime.

What the crime it was?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HEY were using the wrong chiral compound....

Who said you that it was wrong chiral compound?
Some fucking ancient philosopher or prophet?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HEY killed homos, hemos and IV drug users with intent or negligence...
Any evidence?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HEY knew the bad half of a chiral compound was responsible for causing the 'thalidomide' tragedy....
THEY knew about chiral asymmetrical compounds since Pasteurs time.
And so what?
BTW. There is no such a thing like "half of a chiral compound".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Limited Energy' read this and then fuck off ... ok?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')"Your right hand won't fit properly into a left-handed glove, and an amino acid of the wrong shape won't fit into an enzyme".

This is the reason why the chiral resolution (separation) of AZT is significant, since the drug is designed to 'fit' and block reverse transcriptase, one of the enzymes HIV needs to replicate.

In biology, shape definitely matters.

4. According to the Journal of the American Chemical Society (Vol 120, p 2780), and reported in the April 1998 issue of the magazine New Scientist, AZT (the 'HIV' drug) has two enantiomers which have now been identified and separated. Biologists at the National Institutes of Health now expect this knowledge will, and we quote, "lead to a more powerful form of AZT that does not contain molecules of the wrong shape, which could well be responsible for AZT's nastier side effects…"
Currently manufactured AZT is single enantiomer.
The one manufactured before 1998 was also single enantiomer.
Method of synthesis (still used with minor modifications): J. Org. Chem. 29, 2076 (1964).
You had referred to irrelevant publication.
There was no major change in AZT licensing by FDA following that publication.
Presumably nothing interesting was found.
AZT still remain anti-AIDS drug, albeit its use is a bit controversial.
Asymptomatic patients are unlikely to benefit.
HIV will progress into AIDS with or without AZT.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')top your stupid incessant bleating 'Limited Energy'.
Maybe I am not such a wingnut afterall?
Maybe I am simply being channelled?
Maybe I am simply a receiver and transmitter.
...Or may be you are a moron or schizofrenic?
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Re: HIV probably isn't the cause of AIDS

Unread postby MacG » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 18:32:24

*Phew* Talk about destroying a discussion. Hey, "Raphael", are you a CIA plant or something?
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AIDS CURED!!!!!!!

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 13:20:58

Holy crap I can't believe, they did it. It is just being reported on CNN and MSNBC. After 30 + years they did it. Watch NOW!!!

This is an april fools
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