[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')I think any abortionist who performs late term abortions, unless the mother's life is truly in danger, or the fetus is completely brain dead, should be charged with premeditated murder.

[emersonbiggins]

For all those moaning about abortion being used as a 'birth control,' I'm of the understanding that there is a limit to how many times a woman can have a surgical abortion procedure before her reproductive ability is permanently compromised. Just the other day, I learned that a young lady had to carry to term a child because she had already had two earlier abortions. It's not like these women are in and out having abortions every six months, people.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')or all those moaning about abortion being used as a 'birth control,' I'm of the understanding that there is a limit to how many times a woman can have a surgical abortion procedure before her reproductive ability is permanently compromised. Just the other day, I learned that a young lady had to carry to term a child because she had already had two earlier abortions. It's not like these women are in and out having abortions every six months, people.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'R')onMN


Abortion is killing. Jacking off is killing.

It's nobody's goddamn business whether a woman decides to bring a life to term. Not yours, not Chimpy the Bush's.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'W')hat a coincidence. I was reading this thread and thought to myself, "Ron just needs to mind his own business."

I didn't plan to post in this thread, but Killjoy's response was similar to my own.

[Pablo2079]

Let's say abortion is murder....

Let's say a woman is pregnant, but doesn't know it. Does something illegal that causes a miscarriage. Just because she didn't know that she was pregnant would not be a defense. She should be charged with Misdemeanor Manslaughter.

Let's say a woman knows she's pregnant, and does something that "most" people would agree is not smart to do whilst pregnant. She miscarries and it's determined that her actions caused the miscarriage. Should she be charged with Negligent Homicide? Something worse?

What if the baby is born with a deformity? etc...

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')or all those moaning about abortion being used as a 'birth control,' I'm of the understanding that there is a limit to how many times a woman can have a surgical abortion procedure before her reproductive ability is permanently compromised.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')or all those moaning about abortion being used as a 'birth control,' I'm of the understanding that there is a limit to how many times a woman can have a surgical abortion procedure before her reproductive ability is permanently compromised.

[RonMN]

I'm glad to see we're past the name calling (which I fully expected) and this seems to now be turning into a viable discussion. I know that I, as well, have gone a little "overboard" on this subject & i appologize for that.

It seems to me that the root of the debate is where does life begin? (and ofcourse our messed up conflicting laws...but i'll leave that go for now).

In my opinion, humble as it may be It would seem logical to say if left alone, it will develop into a human being...THAT is where life begins.

This easily rules out sperm cells...as well as an unfertalized egg (truely rediculous arguments) because if left alone, those will not develop into a human being.

I have to admit, I really didn't buy the "what makes you you?" argument either.

So please...what would your opinion be on where life begins? Not many have agreed with me thus far...I don't expect you will on this point either

[CrudeAwakening]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '
')
In my opinion, humble as it may be It would seem logical to say if left alone, it will develop into a human being...THAT is where life begins.

This easily rules out sperm cells...as well as an unfertalized egg (truely rediculous arguments) because if left alone, those will not develop into a human being.

[threadbear]

Life begins at 40, so my mother told me. Anything before that is fair game, I guess.

The abortion issue, brings out complete nonsense and inconsistency in people. You have pro-choice types who wouldn't flinch at aborting a 2nd trimester fetus, go berserk at the idea of anyone drowning newborn kittens.

How about pro-lifers who flinch at aborting a "being" that barely qualifies as a gold fish, let alone a human, but who don't think twice about what they're eating.There is probably a whole lot more going on in the mind, heart and pain receptors of an animal going through a slaughterhouse than a 7 week old fetus being aborted.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o you're with KillJoy, in that sperm=zygote=embroyo= 1st= 2nd= 3rd trimester fetus? Unless I misinterpreted his or your post?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou bet it's my goddam business, if you're implying that partial birth abortion and masterbation is the same thing.

[jboogy]

There are no new questions in this debate , it's been gone over time and time again from every possible angle, if you want the prototypical , beating your head against the wall futile effort to change someone's mind, just talk about abortion. there's no right or wrong , it's all opinion , none more valid than any other. for all practical, constructive purposes ,this horse died a long long time ago.Maybe I'm being abrupt but what's the point? no one's going to convince anyone else of ANYTHING on this issue!

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')hanks for clearing my error up. Perhaps the girl's parents (the one I mentioned earlier) didn't feel like shelling out for a third, myopically enough, and scared her into having the baby. It's too bad for the kid, though, considering how dysfunctional the family is.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'S')o now I have said that, but let me also say this. I think if an empbryo has a chance of becoming a viable human being then noone should be allowed to make the choice of life or death for them.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou bet it's my goddam business, if you're implying that partial birth abortion and masterbation is the same thing.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')eeing as there is some confusion regarding terminology, lperhaps late term abortion is a better way of describing this form of murder.

[RonMN]

Smallpoxgirl Wrote:
you are volunteering some one else to be a human incubator for it.

Excellent point there SPG! This is the kind of arguments I'm looking for...something rock solid that can't be denied. While my opinions may differ on this point, you've definately given me some food for thought...It's a point i didn't fully appreciate until i read it the way you phrased it.

A point like that has to be given some creedence while a point like "you're killing trillions by masturbating" is just so much noise that should be utterly dismissed without reguard.

Thanks.