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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 10:57:26

Why even bring up the militia unless talking about dead horses is one of your favorite passtimes...
One of the reasons for a militia was so we the fucking people could overthrow a tyranical government and you know thats not gonna happen and that we are indeed under a repressive tyranical regime as we speak.
I mean really - better pass out the ICBM's if you want to even the playing field.

and yeah alot of people want to blame drugs yet the real issue is that drugs are illegal which makes them worth alot more which makes it worth criminals time to peddle them.

So of course I was amazed when I saw the L.E.A.P group video on youtube as I wanted to believe that cops were all dumbasses yet this gave me some hope:
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Mike Ruppert had it right when he said the biggest drug dealers are the Federal government, the CIA and the FBI.
Yeah! the only fuckin gun ever pointed at me was by a cop and Yeah it was a drug bust, I was 5 years old which was coincidentally the same year I discharged my first round.

I see the problem and it isnt the drug users nor yer average citizen with or without more or less weapons.

Arm the homeless!
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 11:40:01

Best post-peak crop. Cannabis!
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby halcyon » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 13:40:04

I'm all for escalating cycle of more firepower in the USA. The more paranoid, fearful and armed Americans get, the sooner they will turn against each other and leave the rest of the world alone :)

Evil jokes aside, my question would be: what do you need a better gun for if you already have a gun that kills a person fair and square? A gun that kills person two times over? Bazookas? Cluster bombs? Nukes?

Really, isn't this all a bit silly?

Police may have the authority to use deadly force, but how many times deadly does it has to be?

The opposing sides weapons do not stop being deadly regardless of how many times you upgrade.

Better to spend the money on something else that really matters...
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 17:38:45

As far as I'm concerned, everybody should be on an even playing field. If we're going to trust a pimply corporal with it, I should be trusted with it as well. I never shot anyone. I never assaulted anyone. I never invaded anyone's home. The US military does those things somewhere in the world every day.

Q: So does that mean Specop should be able to build his own nuclear bomb?
A: Of course not. I don't trust Specop with a nuke. I would also point out though that the only people to ever drop a nuke on a populate area, were the US Air Force. Rhetoric aside, the reason that bomb was dropped, ultimately comes down to a contest of penis size between Truman and Stalin. A whole lot of people died basically so Truman could be king of the hill for a while.

I fail to see why people with a consistent pattern of misusing weapons and abusing other people should be trusted with them and people with no such history should not. I think we need to decide as a society what weapons we are willing to trust each other with and which we are not. If we don't trust each other with weaponized anthrax, then nobody should be allowed to make weaponized anthrax. Not the Army, not Specop, not anybody.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 21:12:48

"GACK!" There is hope for you yet 8)
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 04:16:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
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Hitlery Klinton? Bush has already done this! Read below - moron.

Katrina Outrage

http://www.indianamilitia.org/outrage.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring this debacle, some units of the Army National Guard - particularly the Oklahoma ANG - were given illegal and unconstitutional orders to go door-to-door and confiscate the legally-owned firearms of law abiding gunowners. They should have refused these orders! The commander even acknowledged on national TV that he was disturbed by these orders that he thought it was wrong, but he also believed that he was compelled to carry out orders, no matter what.


Point is, you want unregistered guns. Join a gun club and buy from one of their shows. Just bring cash - no questions asked.


I am already aware of the criminal raids of the people's houses during the Katrina debacle/ EXCUSE ME! I should have said "expect more Waco/Ruby ridge/AND Katrina type incidences". Someone already mentioned Katrina as what to expect in the future in this thread and I did not disagree with them at all. Bush didn't even order the raids Idiot! the locally elected retards did. So get your facts straight.

And gun show/club vendors do have to keep the same lists as regular gun stores- MORON!

What was the point of insulting me? Are you some kind of Hilary apologist? For the record I can't stand the Klinton or the Bush dynasties, or the Soviet style governments of Louisiana and New Orleans. I too, was EXTREMELY appalled and saddened by the criminal govermnet raids in New Orleans as well as the fact that most Americans are not even aware of these raids or care about them even if they are aware. I am also appalled by the previous and current militarization of our police forces all around the country. So kiss my ass vision-master.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 11:34:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd gun show/club vendors do have to keep the same lists as regular gun stores- MORON!


Private sale at gun show. Hand em the cash and walk. MORON!
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 18:29:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd gun show/club vendors do have to keep the same lists as regular gun stores- MORON!


Private sale at gun show. Hand em the cash and walk. MORON!


This is simply not true! have you ever been to a gun show? They have to do the same background checks and keep the same lists.

I'll concede that you can by a gun from a friend or a private classified ad without a background check or being put on a list. However, do you think think when the jackboot is on that seller's neck wanting to know where that gun he sold you is, that private seller is not going to rat you out? Most guns start with a sale from an FFL somewhere.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 19:30:33

Guess the laws are different State by State?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 19:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')uess the laws are different State by State?

Yup.
In Illinois they're in the middle of trying to make it a felony to own any auto-loading rifle or shotgun, with no grandfathering.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Kingcoal » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 23:07:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'D')rugs and alcohol are the fuel for violent crime,


No. The fact that they are illegal is the fuel for violent crime.

If drugs were legal, they would be so cheap that users would not break into your house in order to acquire them.

Legalizing drugs would free up billions of tax dollars on currently spent on drug enforcement and imprisonment for crimes of drug possession.

Which is more cruel and inhumane... allowing genomes that predispose people to chemical addiction to naturally die out, or imprisoning millions of people with such a predisposition, then imprisoning the multi-millions of their off-spring for generations to come?


I have first hand experience dealing with a cokehead and it wasn't fun. A coke or meth addict will do anything to get high. Their brain is slowly reprogrammed by the drugs, they turn to lying and scamming the people they used to love to get money for their drugs. After some time, nothing becomes out of the question. That person you loved and knew is slowly replaced by a monster. They blame everything that is wrong with them on the people around them. These drugs are horribly destructive to the personality to the point that these people really never totally recover.

I agree that marijuana is probably no worse than alcohol, but narcotic drugs have a very high potential for abuse and should be regulated. I used to believe that legalizing all drugs was the answer because I was thinking "what do I care what those people do with their bodies. Well, it happened to a girl I loved. It's different when you see it and experience it first hand.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 23:14:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'D')rugs and alcohol are the fuel for violent crime,


No. The fact that they are illegal is the fuel for violent crime.

If drugs were legal, they would be so cheap that users would not break into your house in order to acquire them.

Legalizing drugs would free up billions of tax dollars on currently spent on drug enforcement and imprisonment for crimes of drug possession.

Which is more cruel and inhumane... allowing genomes that predispose people to chemical addiction to naturally die out, or imprisoning millions of people with such a predisposition, then imprisoning the multi-millions of their off-spring for generations to come?


I have first hand experience dealing with a cokehead and it wasn't fun. A coke or meth addict will do anything to get high. Their brain is slowly reprogrammed by the drugs, they turn to lying and scamming the people they used to love to get money for their drugs. After some time, nothing becomes out of the question. That person you loved and knew is slowly replaced by a monster. They blame everything that is wrong with them on the people around them. These drugs are horribly destructive to the personality to the point that these people really never totally recover.

I agree that marijuana is probably no worse than alcohol, but narcotic drugs have a very high potential for abuse and should be regulated. I used to believe that legalizing all drugs was the answer because I was thinking "what do I care what those people do with their bodies. Well, it happened to a girl I loved. It's different when you see it and experience it first hand.


Alcohol is one of the the worst drugs around, maybe the worst period. More people NEED marijuana! A wonderful forbidden drug within our culture.

People need to achieve a higher level of consciousness from time to time. Some call it a spiritual orgasm.

When this fifth "body-brain" is activated, flat Euclidean figure-ground configurations explode multi-dimensionally. Gestalts shift, in McLuhan's terms, from linear VISUAL SPACE to all-encompassing SENSORY SPACE. A hedonic turn-on occurs, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits. I turned this circuit on with pot and Tantra.
This fifth brain began to appear about 4,000 years ago in the first leisure-class civilizations and has been increasing statistically in recent centuries (even before the Drug Revolution), a fact demonstrated by the hedonic art of India, China, Rome and other affluent societies. More recently, Ornstein and his school have demonstrated with electroencephalograms that this circuit represents the first jump from the linear left lobe of the brain to the analogical right lobe.
The opening and imprinting of this circuit has been the preoccupation of "technicians of the occult"--Tantric shamans and hatha yogis. While the fifth tunnel-reality can be achieved by sensory deprivation, social isolation, physiological stress or severe shock (ceremonial terror tactics, as practiced by such rascal-gurus as Don Juan Matus or Aleister Crowley), it has traditionally been reserved to the educated aristocracy of leisure societies who have solved the four terrestrial survival problems.
About 20,000 years ago, the specific fifth brain neurotransmitter was discovered by shamans in the Caspian Sea area of Asia and quickly spread to other wizards throughout Eurasia and Africa. It is, of course, cannabis. Weed. Mother Mary Jane.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 02:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')uess the laws are different State by State?


This must be the case. My bad, I thought the laws were federal.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 02:57:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'D')rugs and alcohol are the fuel for violent crime,


No. The fact that they are illegal is the fuel for violent crime.

If drugs were legal, they would be so cheap that users would not break into your house in order to acquire them.

Legalizing drugs would free up billions of tax dollars on currently spent on drug enforcement and imprisonment for crimes of drug possession.

Which is more cruel and inhumane... allowing genomes that predispose people to chemical addiction to naturally die out, or imprisoning millions of people with such a predisposition, then imprisoning the multi-millions of their off-spring for generations to come?


I have first hand experience dealing with a cokehead and it wasn't fun. A coke or meth addict will do anything to get high. Their brain is slowly reprogrammed by the drugs, they turn to lying and scamming the people they used to love to get money for their drugs. After some time, nothing becomes out of the question. That person you loved and knew is slowly replaced by a monster. They blame everything that is wrong with them on the people around them. These drugs are horribly destructive to the personality to the point that these people really never totally recover.

I agree that marijuana is probably no worse than alcohol, but narcotic drugs have a very high potential for abuse and should be regulated. I used to believe that legalizing all drugs was the answer because I was thinking "what do I care what those people do with their bodies. Well, it happened to a girl I loved. It's different when you see it and experience it first hand.


How does making hard drugs illegal solve any of the problems of addiction though?

I agree with vision master. Marijuana is a good drug. Alchohol is much more destructive. However, I suspect marijuana is illegal because pharmaceutical companies, other, big corporations, and governments could not make money off of it because since it is a weed anybody can supply themselves. More importnantly than that, if we had a nation of weed smokers the house of cards would tumble faster because nobody would be willing to continue with the rat race anymore. TPTB cant have that. They need materialistic wage slaves stuck firmly in the system.

My wife HATES marijuana, its ridiculous and annoying. I don't smoke weed myself because it hurts my virgin lungs and makes my heart beat rapidly but people talking about weed smoking or if she sees them smoking infuriates her. Theres no reason to hate marijuana except for brainwashing from the matrix.

I think someone she knew in high school smoked weed the whole time she was pregnant and the baby turned out massively deformed, retarded, and sick.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 10:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', ' ')These drugs are horribly destructive to the personality to the point that these people really never totally recover.


Which is more cruel and inhumane... allowing genomes that predispose people to chemical addiction to naturally die out, or imprisoning millions of people with such a predisposition, then imprisoning the multi-millions of their off-spring for generations to come?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby ALBY » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 14:01:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', '
')Better to spend the money on something else that really matters...


like AMMO !
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby ALBY » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 14:08:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')Rhetoric aside, the reason that bomb was dropped, ultimately comes down to a contest of penis size between Truman and Stalin. A whole lot of people died basically so Truman could be king of the hill for a while.


OK SPG, i have a secret crush on you, so i can't be too mean to you here, but this may possibly be the most stupid thing ever written on this board.

first of all, we dropped two atom bombs on japan. cause one didn't do the trick. just a factual correction for you.

second, we dropped those bombs so we wouldn't have to invade the jap homeland where those tough little sob's would have fought to the death. they were never going to surrender and they were never going to stop fighting. we turned them into pacifist carmakers with, quite possibly, the wisest use of nuclear power in the history of mankind.

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 18:15:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'f')irst of all, we dropped two atom bombs on japan. cause one didn't do the trick.

Yeah. A whole three days went by and they didn't surrender. Obviously we had to hit them again. :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e dropped those bombs so we wouldn't have to invade the jap homeland where those tough little sob's would have fought to the death.

Yeah. I read that same chapter in the high school history book.

Isn't that the one with the cute cartoon picture of George Washington and the cherry tree?

Face it dude. After the fire bombing of Tokyo, the Japanese were already about to surrender. Truman dropped the bombS on them because he wanted to show off for Stalin.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Daculling » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 18:50:17

DC's 30 year gun ban was just overturned by the U.S. Court of Appeals.

Gun Ban Overturned

This will likely go to the SCOUS.

Mayor responds..

D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty says he is "deeply disappointed" and "outraged" by the court's decision and will appeal.

Dissapointment... I kinda liked that guy... now he's a tool in my opinion.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 09 Mar 2007, 19:18:59

So figure this one out:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')udge Karen Henderson dissented, writing that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia because it is not a state.
????So the bill of rights doesn't apply in DC? What kind of twisted logic is that? The Bill of Rights was originally written to restrict the actions of the federal government, not the states. The Bill of Rights only became applicable to the states with the passage of the 14th amendment following the Civil War. How on earth would anyone conclude that the 2nd amendment restricts actions of the states, but doesn't affect how the federal government runs DC?
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