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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby blukatzen » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 19:22:19

First of all, congratulations on your engagement! I hope this is a happy time for both of you. I figured a comment from a woman may be something you may want to hear to balance ideas out.

I have been married twice, divorced once. I (now) am happily married with a wonderful husband (electrical engineer) who asked me if I needed a big old diamond ring, and I said "NO"!!!!
I HATE diamonds! HATE HATE HATE THEM. Rubies are another matter, however,and get my motor purring.

In Europe, people don't always get diamond rings for their engagement. Sometimes, folks get sapphires, rubies, or emeralds (however, emeralds are not for everyday wear.)

First marriage, I had the diamond ring thing (engaged in '86) but after the divorce, I sold it. (this IS a woman's perogative, since it IS hers unless she renegs on the oath- then she should return it.) I think my ex and I did it since our parents expected it of us, but we could have gone by with just bands, and have been just as happy, although my father would have thought he was a cheap-ass.

I now have a gold band, and hubby has one too, but hardly wears it, since he is not a jewelry wearer. I am in horticuture, and that kind of gemstone encrusted stuff and my job is not a mix. He has bought me a ruby ring, and that is what I like to wear when going out, with my band. It was all of 140.00 with 2 diamonds side set. (gold). When I see that RED, I think "passion"! and it makes me smile remembering my husband, as I grab his hand all the tighter as we walk down the street when we go out.

THAT is what a ring..as a symbol..should provoke. It also should stand as the symbol of your oath to her, and should represent YOU. If you can't afford a big honkin' ring, that's OK..it is not within your means, and thus not "you"!
It is also about what is important to you, and what is between you.

I think Smiley's ring story of how he made his ring by hand..was truly enchanting, and any woman of character SHOULD be thrilled to wear a ring like that! Smiley, your wife is INDEED a lucky woman to be wearing your passion on HER finger!

You may want to consider something channel-set (that means the gems are IN the band, not sticking out with prongs way up high) because she is a doctor, and it is not practical in her profession. Most MD's I know wear bands, and that suffices. She cannot risk scratching a patient whilst examining them. You can set stones within the bands if that is an issue where she would like a little bit of sparkle.

Whether big or small, your ring should involk a feeling of who you are, and what is between you both. It can involk elements of your culture, for instance, or just be plain and simple. It should reflect who YOU are.

Years ago, I worked downtown (Chicago, where I am ) as an office manager for a company that had an office in the "Maller's Building" where there are many jewelers. I got to know a few of them, and the first thing they told me was to BUY the stone seperately, THEN pick out the ring/setting. Have it set by a REPUTABLE jeweler, having papers on the stone. What papers "are" are the Gem Institute's readings on what that particular stone is, and why it is worth what it is. Then have an INDEPENDENT appraiser look at the stone, and verify that the stone IS what it says it is on the certificate. (so you know you are NOT being hoodwinked, even if you are spending less than 5000.00. (Especially if you are spending less, that is where stones get switched OUT alot.) Then AFTER the stone is set, take it BACK to the appraiser and make sure they did not damage it. (mine was damaged, I lost the diamond, and I made the jeweler give me another one. This was 4 months before my wedding, and it was set improperly. This was from the ex.)

You need to either go to a good jeweler, or a gem show and know a reputable stone broker, if you are going to be buying a stone. Look and educate yourself on cut, color and clarity BEFORE you know so they don't hoodwink you. Also know how they grade diamonds so you understand if you are getting taken for a ride. Also make sure the TABLE of the stone is just right, this was my mistake when I bought the diamond, it was not cut correctly, which made it more fragile, and set into the setting it was in, made it get broken that much more easily. Here is a place where you can make a better informed choice. I think you get taken at those "Mall" type places, and they sell inferior grade stuff, and most folks don't know the difference. Go to a gem show and you WILL see a difference. Plus, you will see different cuts by lapidary artists that normally aren't seen in other places, so your piece CAN be original.

You may also want to think about purchasing platinum for a band as well, as it is a good investment.

Don't forget, your children will also look at their mother's band, and know it is a symbol of both of you. I always looked at my mother's set and was happy for her. (she had a mid-size set from my father, and he bought her a wonderful diamond anniversary band for their 40th, which she was very proud of.)

So, you have your homework, educate yourself about stones online, or go to a gem show and look around first..then figure out what "says" you, and her, and what you can afford. Then, see if she wants a diamond or a colored stone, your cultural imperatives, and then, pay the bill...and enjoy. Even if it is 2 simple gold bands.

I just thought you'd like to have some input from one of the "mom-types" on board. Good luck on your hunt! :)
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 21:18:35

I spent $0 on the engagement ring, plus $75 for her plain gold wedding ring. And we're way too libertarian and too religious to let the government regulate our marriage. It's non of their damn business. It violates the separation of Church and State, and it is used to violate the 14th Amendment (USA). Alternatives to Marriage Project. And it was all her idea. :)
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 22:38:39

I think my husband spent $800 on my engagement and wedding rings, that was 27 years ago. I think if I were to do it over, I'd suggest we both get simple bands, or maybe a band with a small stone in it. In hindsight, it doesn't make sense to me to spend a lot of money on a ring, but I'm not big on jewelry.

If you have some extra money to spend, Eastbay's suggestion that you put it toward a home or some other financial security is a good one. Or, putting the money toward a special honeymoon might be nice, somewhere the two of you have always wanted to go - you'll have great memories.

I wish you all the best!
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby entropyfails » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 22:49:19

Modern constructed diamonds are virtually indistinguishable from their earth baked cousins. They are also ridiculously cheap. They are the same hardness as diamonds so they will scratch cubic zirconium, glass, etc. You need something like an MRI to tell the difference, so even jeweler friends will be fooled.

http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/jewelry/index.php

For example, a 7 carrot cut diamond will cost you about 700 bucks. It is a "chemically real" flawless diamond, indistinguishable from other diamonds except through extensive, electronic testing. (ie jewlers "light prism" tricks to find cubic zirconium will not work)

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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby Kfish » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 02:34:26

When we got engaged, my fiancee told me that he would buy me any ring I wanted (at the time, we were both broke students). I told him that if he was prepared to spend more than $5,000 on a piece of jewellery, I'd prefer an engagement car. :razz:

In the end, we were wandering around a shopping centre when I spotted a nice, simple ring in a design I quite liked. By sheer coincidence, the place was having a 50% off sale, so the $1,000 ring was now $500. After quietly checking I was okay with it, my fiancee fronted up with $500 in notes and requested a discount for paying cash. The merchant credit card fee here is about 5%, so we were saving them about $25 by paying cash.

The saleslady yelled at him for being cheap.

If the ring had been normal price, rather than at a discount, I would have told her where to stick it, informed her superiors why they lost the sale and bought the exact same ring elsewhere.

We got the wedding bands somewhere else.
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby Eli » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 10:34:03

I would stay away from daimond nexus they are just selling cubic Zirconium at a big mark up.

Apollo diamonds on the other hand is the real deal. They are not making diamond stimulants but actual diamonds.

I would love to see man made diamonds kill off the diamond business, debeers are a bunch of bastards who are just running a huge scam.
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 11:42:53

Marriage is suicide. That women you love; will become that bitch you want to dismember. What if she gets pregnant, are you going to kill her then pretend she was out jogging. Maybe dump her in the lake so that the police can later find her and see that she was pregnant when you committed your nefarious act?
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby smiley » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 15:25:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')odern constructed diamonds are virtually indistinguishable from their earth baked cousins. They are also ridiculously cheap.


Very true. I never understood the diamond craze anyway. Of course it is a remarkable material, but in fairness most of the people would not be able to distinguish between a diamond, zirconia, magnesium spinel, mosaite, sapphire, or an ordinary piece of lead glass.

Now if you compare that to gold. Anyone can distinguish between gold, brass or titanium nitride. Iron pyrite is a bit more difficult, but only in its mineral form.

More importantly, apart from some outrageous claims by alchemist, I haven't come across a synthetic method of making gold.

And finally, gold is one of the heavier elements which as far as I know (Perhaps an astrophysicist can fill me in on that) means that it must have originated from the final stages of a starts life.

Now would you really prefer a outrageously priced piece of hyper-compressed charcoal over that? :)


By the way am I the only one to notice that a lot of the PO-crowd have an exceptionally negative attitude to marriage?
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Re: How much to spend for engagement ring?

Unread postby Eli » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 15:53:48

Nope you are not alone in noticing that PO'ers seem to be very down on marriage.


If you want lots of negative advice this is the place for ya.
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