[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', ' ')So if I can not keep population in check, even though we both know its needs to be done, is it not the governments responsibility to keep think the population. Since we obviously failed at this, does not the government have the moral obligation to inform us that 5-6 of the 6+ billion pple onthe earth need to be 'put down'.

[MonteQuest]

BTW, we were told.

29 years ago by President Carter.

http://peakoil.com/fortopic2996.html

[grabby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', '
')
So if I can not keep population in check, even though we both know its needs to be done, is it not the governments responsibility to keep think the population. Since we obviously failed at this, does not the government have the moral obligation to inform us ...

[Kristen]

well erl,

My younger brother was murdered by a group of extremist christians two years ago for being gay. they beat him to the ground until he was almost dead and then set him on fire. Even after that horrible event I didn't declare a vendetta against the christian faith. But to say they are the "moral" majority is begging the question a little bit. I don't think you have to be religious to be moral.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Suppose this Civilization is about to collapse. There are some personal questions to ponder before it happens. Such as how many women should a man have intimate relations with to be happy? What sort of relations should they be, beyond the physical aspects? and how does anyone know? I recall reading that no man ever found satisfaction with a whore. I also recall reading that all men are crazy except for a few minutes after copulation. There are men who anguish over having nothing to do with women after sex and being incapable of relationships, and some poor schlubs who anguish over having no sex at all. Most find a wife and slug through the miscommunication and difficulties but get sex. Some lucky few find deep love that lasts until they die. Studies show that married couples have the best sex lives, but a man wants many women, is my experience. So a man has to have priorities. He has to set some interests above his balls and their urgings. It would seem that no happiness is absolute because some interests are in conflict with others, "and never the twain shall meet". Without God and Religion to guide us, what is the best course? Where does happiness lie? Is it some middle course, some happy medium, as the Greeks would say? Diogenes was a Greek, his answer was masturbation. No problem, no complications. But most young men would find that answer unsatisfying. So off they go, as Nature intends them too, making Diogenes seem an imbecile. And off they go into a swamp. Occasionally to find happiness, more often not. I've read that geese are monogamous, maybe they are happy.

[NEOPO]

Whats the root of this rant - are you having marital problems again?

I say we get to "keep" as many women as we can feed!?
<Neopo produces a very large green thumb>

Happy is like being "cool" my man - sometimes all ya gotta do is take inventory, look around abit to realize that at this moment and time you might actually be happy otherwise it is fleeting.

Were you buzzin' when you wrote this?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')I say we get to "keep" as many women as we can feed!?
<Neopo produces a very large green thumb>

[NEOPO]

Oh I forgive you for your stupidity and your inability to apologize openly
I will end my grudge here and now np.

Sorry as I thought you were still married and may have mentioned a wife a time or two but sometimes divorced people do that as well so my bad.

I may be a piker and ultimately enjoy a good scrap when some dumbass or 3 deserves it yet I would prefer a barn raising and to share a bowl instead

Are you thinking eco village?
Imagine what needs to be done.
Imagine what we could do if we only chose it.
I see it as the only thing to do.
Anything less is how they say.... "uncivilized"....

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'O')h I forgive you for your stupidity and your inability to apologize openly
I will end my grudge here and now np.

Sorry as I thought you were still married and may have mentioned a wife a time or two but sometimes divorced people do that as well so my bad.

I may be a piker and ultimately enjoy a good scrap when some dumbass or 3 deserves it yet I would prefer a barn raising and to share a bowl instead

Are you thinking eco village?
Imagine what needs to be done.
Imagine what we could do if we only chose it.
I see it as the only thing to do.
Anything less is how they say.... "uncivilized"....

[lateralus]

PMS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'P')MS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'P')MS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[FourOfSwords]

Penultimate, Diogenes masturbated in the Greek Market, which was the equivalent of the Roman Forum, or possibly today's Mall.
Now we all know why WE do that today, but outside of self gratification, Diogenes was doing this because it was against the norm to do ANYTHING considered private in the Greek Market. As an example, he also just ate in the market, and was severely castigated by all the citizens. He was making a statement, more than 'getting off'. This very interesting philosopher also lived in a wine vat inside the market, and kept and fed stray dogs, who he felt on whole were far nicer than humans(something to ponder).
I feel that he was, by his actions, trying to point out to citizens back then, their hypocracy, and the hypocracy of the conventions that they lived by.
Boy, do we need someone like him around today. How far we've come from those days(no pun intended). :O
My favorite parable about Diogenes is the one where Alexander the Great, probably the most powerful man in the world at that time came and sought out Diogenes. While talking to Diogenes, Alexander asked if there was anything he could do for him. Diogenes responded, ' please step to the side your blocking the sunshine' Gotta love a guy that can tell someone of Alexanders calibre to move out of the way, and have him do it!
Later, while dictating his memoirs on campaign, Big Al commented,
'If I were not Alexander I would be Diogenes'.
As per your subject, sometimes morals and happiness coexists very well together, sometimes not. As per nature, most of us men, act out(or try to) our biological imperative. Some sucessfully others with wanton disregard to other peoples lives , feelings or emotions.
No real wonder that. We've had approx. 10,000 years of relative disrespect, and poor dealings with the other gender, why should todays confused men be any different.
Where does happiness lie? Well, on the most basic of levels I would hazard: A full stomach, a warm abode, fairly good health, and someone to share these things with. The farther you seek beyond these things, I feel, the farther you stumble from happiness.
A.

[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'P')MS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'P')MS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'P')MS wants a bunch of whores post peak.

[PenultimateManStanding]

My favorite story about Diogenes is how he once stood outside a brothel ranting to the patrons as they entered about their hypocrisy until they gave him money to shut him up. When he had enough money he went inside to buy one of the harlots himself.

[JustWatch]

Happiness lies within us. It comes from putting ourselves in the here and now. It comes from the present moment, in the space between thought. Whenever we feel unhappy, it is because our minds are in conflict. Human minds tend to be in a state of constant conflict. They are always trying to choose. Up or down? Left or right? Right or wrong? Black or white? Buy this or buy that? What will happen then? What happened yesterday? Forget about yesterday and tomorrow.

This may seem like an overly simple idea, but you must focus on the fact that tomorrow is not yesterday. The time is right now. That’s all we have. The problems we are always thinking about do not exist. Ask yourself this very simple question. Just what problem do you have that must be settled right now? You don’t have any problem that can’t wait even a moment. There is no problem. The only problem is of your own creation. Let it go. It is getting in the way of the truth. The thinking and conflict that is overwhelming your mind is keeping you from being happy.

Try a little exercise. See if you can stop your mind from thinking. Flip the switch or whatever, and stop thinking.
Can you do it? For how long? It’s not easy, is it?
If you want to find happiness and truth, you must look within, not out. No one or no thing or nothing you can “get” outside of yourself will bring you that which we all seek.

You must be the silent watcher of your own mind. Stop and be aware of what your mind is doing. Don’t think, just be.
Being is the awareness of our inner power. It is way beyond our mind. Your mind cannot work out this problem, it is the cause, not the solution. Our minds are almost constantly trying to solve some silly problem of our own creation. It loves to do this. Sometimes it is helpful, like when you decide which job to take or where to live. But too often time is spent working on problems that are not important or are not real. Don’t be your mind, because your thinking is not who you are!

Happiness also comes from giving. Taking does not lead to happiness. Taking is only part of the conflict of the mind, of enemies, and fighting, and death, and more conflict. If you want happiness, with women or whatever, you must focus on the giving. By giving, caring, sharing, helping, empathizing, nurturing, and being there for others you will find what you seek. Your efforts of giving may be rejected, but this is a result of the conflict of the mind of the person you are trying to give to. Accept this as being normal for some people at some times.

I very firmly believe that if we all were to put our minds aside, and live in a state of total peace without the conflict of the mind, that men and women would share with one another without any concern or care whatsoever for who sleeps with who or when. There might not be such a thing as marriage. Couples would live together, but neither would have any jealousy or concern if the other were to sleep around. (Except for disease of course.)
It would be difficult to find another person who would also share this belief, so it might be in your best interest not to push the idea!
It might save a few divorces and the resulting financial turmoil that usually goes with it! LOL (Trust me, I know all about that one!)

While waiting around for your ship to come in, it’s a good idea to send a few out. (This has always worked for me.)
Good luck.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustWatch', 'H')appiness lies within us.

Good luck.

[Grifter]

I'm assume i'm not as well read as you pms but DH Lawrence sons and lovers did it for me.

His father is an inarticulate hard working dunce, but you feel sorry for him.

His mother is intelligent prim and prudish, gets beaten and is downtrodden.

He loves the woman he feels takes over him, so thinks he hates her.

He consistently tries to have sex with a woman he subconciously despises.

In the end he discovers he is an infinitesimal spec of flesh, wondering about the vastness of it all.