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On Being Poor...

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 12:05:12

http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/yabb ... 1163275542
I took the liberty of posting this thread I lifted from another forum I visit. It is well worth reading.
It is my wish, that every poster on this forum read this thread, then take some time to ponder it.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby crossthread » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 12:15:15

About 3/4ths of those "quotes" apply too me and my 2 daughters..
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby Aaron » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 12:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')eing poor is having to live with choices you didn't know you made when you were 14 years old.


Great Thread
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby Aaron » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 13:19:34

Should be "Being poor, in America, is..." though.

These folks think they are poor because of where they live...

Reminds me of that scene in Crocodile Dundee where he whips out his knife on the mugger.

"That ain't a knife... this is a knife".

Being actually poor is slowly dieing from starvation in a pool of your own urine, sitting in a gutter.

10 million or so folks suffered that rather undignified fate last year alone.

So it's a very relative judgement call... this poverty thing.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 13:58:25

Being actually poor is slowly dieing from starvation in a pool of your own urine, sitting in a gutter.

10 million or so folks suffered that rather undignified fate last year alone.

So it's a very relative judgement call... this poverty thing.

Absolutely. All things are indeed relative.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 14:38:58

Backwoods home magazine in a excellent source of info. Monthly articles from Jackie Clay and Ayoob are part of my personal library.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 16:59:35

It's a good thread they have going though.

Being poor is being undersize/underweight for age so people think you're a few years younger than you really are.

Being poor means the neighbors (poor too but not as poor as you!) never throw anything out worth taking, like an old lamp. And car? What car?

Being poor in a poor neighborhood, the cashier at the market will NEVER spot you a dime, or a penny. The practice was utterly unknown. If I was a penny short, I had to go home and get it, or look and see if I could find one in the streeet.

Which brings me to, noticing that less-poor kids at school would drop stuff like pencils and sometimes even pens, so if I kept my eyes down it served dual-purposes: Not only less likely to get the shit beat out of me but also I'd have a pencil or pen. Once I found a nickel!

Being poor is not being able to hold out for the whole school lunch because you'd faint by then, so getting the "mini-lunch" at 10AM that was much smaller. Sure, you'd not faint, but overall you'd miss out on lots of needed calories and vitamins.

"Alma" on that forum sounds like she's been through the 1930s Depression, I went through the 1970s recession, and that was pretty bad too, at least where I was.

Of course we're heading for a Depression worse than the 1930s one....
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 17:36:47

I like BackwoodsHome too. That is a great thread.
I like the positive comments, like "a good family is like a stone wall at your back".

Poverty is relative, as others noted. I remember getting teased for only having two pairs of pants to wear to school and my sister and I shared a beat-up bicycle. My dad who was a little boy in the Depression probably saw nothing wrong with it. However, we did always have good food to eat and a nice place to grow up. We ran wild in the woods and around the lake. I think it was good for us.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 17:57:27

You mean a GED doesnt make a difference?? well damn..... :o
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby oowolf » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:06:47

Being poor means the cops look upon you as fodder for the "law enforcement growth industry".
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:07:29

A few of those things applied to my childhood.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:13:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'T')he best things in life aren't things.


So true, mercurygirl.

My grandparents were very poor when they started their family in the Great Depression. They lived in a two-room shack with their four daughters for 12 years until they could afford to build a small home, all the while living off of what they grew in their large garden, storing pickled eggs in the ground in the winter, canning vegetables, etc. My mom didn't have a toothbrush until she was 14!

My grandparents are gone, but my mom and her sisters, though separated by much distance, remain very close, talking every few days and getting together once a year. All four of them are comfortable financially now, but their shared hardships made the bonds between them very strong. And they are all such amazing women - incredible can-do spirit! I admire them all very much.
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Unread postby oowolf » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:31:46

Being poor means the cops look upon you as fodder for the "law enforcement growth industry".
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:33:33

I love hearing these old depression stories.

My father's father graduated second in his class at Princeton University with a degree in Geology in 1932. For a man of his distinguished academic accolade he ended up comming back to Oklahoma to apply himself by digging ditches for the CCC. It wasn't until the war broke out he got back on his feet becoming artillery captain for the Army at Ft.Sill. When the war was over, he started his own oil company and wildcatted until the 70's.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby 128shot » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 18:56:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') love hearing these old depression stories.

My father's father graduated second in his class at Princeton University with a degree in Geology in 1932. For a man of his distinguished academic accolade he ended up comming back to Oklahoma to apply himself by digging ditches for the CCC. It wasn't until the war broke out he got back on his feet becoming artillery captain for the Army at Ft.Sill. When the war was over, he started his own oil company and wildcatted until the 70's.


So he was poor but ended up successfully rich, right?
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 19:55:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') love hearing these old depression stories.

My father's father graduated second in his class at Princeton University with a degree in Geology in 1932. For a man of his distinguished academic accolade he ended up comming back to Oklahoma to apply himself by digging ditches for the CCC. It wasn't until the war broke out he got back on his feet becoming artillery captain for the Army at Ft.Sill. When the war was over, he started his own oil company and wildcatted until the 70's.


So he was poor but ended up successfully rich, right?


Not rich but comfortable. He passed away in 1984, about two years before the big oil bust of 1986. By then most of the leases were transfered into stocks and land.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby JustWatch » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 22:42:29

A few quotes from Benjamin Franklin-

Money never made a man happy yet, nor will it. The more a man has, the more he wants. Instead of filling a vacuum, it makes one.

It is only when the rich are sick that they fully feel the impotence of wealth.

He does not possess wealth; it possesses him.

Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is.


I conceive that the great part of the miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things.

It is the eye of other people that ruin us. If I were blind I would want, neither fine clothes, fine houses or fine furniture.
They understand the fact that true democracy is nothing but a fallacy whereby idiots are elected into power and these idiots then have to cater to the morons that elected them in the first place.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby Aaron » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 09:39:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'Y')ou mean a GED doesnt make a difference?? well damn..... :o


I have a GED
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby kam300en » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 20:37:16

The tightwads shall inherit the earth. Even a "poor" man who watches his pennies and doesn't buy into consumerism and useless luxuries, can die a relatively rich man. This is how poor people become rich, and why some rich people become poor again. If you can't manage you money (control yourself), you will be poor. Even alot of the upper middle class (or even upper class) in America are a few weeks away from being poor, that is, when the housing crash and the new depression gets them. Their endless obsession with petty consumerism and "keeping up with the jones'" will be their undoing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetty_Green

If only the world were able to manage it's resources the way Hetty Green managed her money, we wouldn't have to worry about peak oil.
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Re: On Being Poor...

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 23:04:53

I found the responses to the post on that thread, almost uniformly moronic. There are several different gradations of poverty--the hallmark card depiction of the family struggling, but surviving because they have eachother, is just one-- sitting in your own urine is another. To be poor in the US, presently, is to be judged and found wanting, or whining. I think the poverty poster is clearly trying to explain being poor is a dispiriting exercise in a highly competetive, Capitalist culture.
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