Debate this:
What goes up, must come down.
It's essential to the very definition to up and down with respect to resources.
It may be sooner, it may be later, definitions of time.
Bu there's no denying its effects upon you, just a matter of degree of effect with respect to your time of death.
I'd venture to say that only a fool would disagree with any of these statements. Carry on, lad.
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Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by basil_hayden » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 22:32:02
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by clueless » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 23:23:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')o i have clearly stated my beliefs and the reasoning behind them and i'm sure it will be met with a bunch of name calling and witless jokes, so have at it. Maybe your name calling jokes will be even funnier than before. Lets count how many times the word Troll comes up.
Your opinions are well though out, articulate and solidly rooted in fact. You have no idea how devestated I am to have all of my hopes and dreams of trials and tribulations dashed in just a few strokes of the pen by Soiled_Jocks of PeakOil.com.
Thank you so much for bringing me into the light.
See you in the bread line !
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by oil_rocks » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 02:20:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'I')t may be sooner, it may be later, definitions of time.
yes, hayden, i agree with you completely. it may be sooner and it may be later, and that's why I scientifically calculated that we will hit the peak in about 400 years. I thought about storing up bottled water myself, but then i realized that i won't be around in 400 years.
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by TonyPrep » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 04:12:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil_rocks', 'a')ny calculation that includes it will not be reliable, since we do not at this time know the full will of the people.
Well, thanks for at least acknowledging that your 400 years of no oil problems is not reliable. You included a lot of unknowns in your scientific calculations (which none of us has seen), including this one, so your predictions cannot be regarded as reliable.
Do you want to think again about storing a bit of water?
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by basil_hayden » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 11:21:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil_rocks', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'I')t may be sooner, it may be later, definitions of time.
yes, hayden, i agree with you completely. it may be sooner and it may be later, and that's why I scientifically calculated that we will hit the peak in about 400 years. I thought about storing up bottled water myself, but then i realized that i won't be around in 400 years.
Now we're getting closer....
By acknowledging that peak phenomena occur and there is error in the estimate of when it will occur, wouldn't it be wiser to have at least that 400 year store of water? Water for the future generations? Or will we use all the petroleum to contaminate all the drinkable water for future generations? At what point do these two particular trends intersect such that the cons outweigh the pros?
If population crashes, we might have petroleum resources that last 400 years, for a much smaller population. But that's not what's happening. World population is growing, exponentially. There will be implications as discussed in topics on this board. There is no scalable substitute for this energy dense liquid called oil. So where does that leave us? An even sharper peak, some would characterize as a cliff.
See oil_rocks, YOU have no credibility and calculate a 400 year window. Hubbert, who has boatloads of credibility, predicted the peak of that window, our current times give or take a decade at the most. Statistically it's possible (but not probable) for you both to be right - we can produce a small volume per day for 400 years, or we can meet current demand for a decade.
So there's nothing for the rest of us to worry about, between your confidence in your calculations, and your intentions for the earth in general, you won't be around long. I've already secured my 400 year water supply.
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