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Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 22:00:20

There is something peculiar about this movie. The postscript suggests that the aliens were done in by microorganisms, that humans have died in the past as a prelude to the battle and that we belong here by virtue of our immune systems which the aliens don't possess. The problem is that nothing in the movie prior to the epilogue even hints at this. There is that scene where the ooze comes out of the spacecraft, but the movie suggests that it was brought down by conventional fire. I don't get it.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 22:54:29

Did you ever listen to the original radio broadcast. This is how the whole program was originally designed by Wells. The aliens died because the did not have an immunity to our viruses and bacteria. The problem is that today's audience can't make the leap for themselves unless someone on screen actually explains the whole thing out for them. It confused allot of people.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 23:12:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'D')id you ever listen to the original radio broadcast. This is how the whole program was originally designed by Wells. The aliens died because the did not have an immunity to our viruses and bacteria. The problem is that today's audience can't make the leap for themselves unless someone on screen actually explains the whole thing out for them. It confused allot of people.


To be fair, it is hard to convey cinematically, especially when virii and bacteria are invisible to the naked eye.

Haven't heard the original radio broadcast, but own the musical version on CD. The music used is wonderful. Apparently the broadcast freaked out listeners, lol. :lol:
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 23:32:54

167,000 listeners admitted to thinking it was real, 3 attempted suicide none succeeded. Orson spent a night in jail for not allowing the police in the studio while recording
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby rsch20 » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 23:37:59

if you look for it it's there, that the red plant stuff starts drying up and crumbling is the biggest pointer to what's going on.

it's bullshit however, there are major holes in the plot.

1. the aliens put the machines in the earth millions of years ago... ok then why didn't they just take over then?

2. the aliens are smart enough to plan a planetary invasion spanning millions of years, presumably have intergalactic travel, and yet have no bioscientists and are stupid enough to get wiped out by something we are aware of at our supposedly much lower level of advancement? mkay...
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 23:48:31

I saw it twice. Hated it the second time as all the big holes and inconsistencies became more apparent.

For instance: At the end, why did the shields go down on that tripod just because the crew was getting sick?
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 00:23:30

Oh good grief. It's called 'Suspension of Disbelief' people... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby rsch20 » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 00:45:24

I'm perfectly aware of Suspension of Disbelief,

quoted from the second paragraph of your link.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wikipedia', 'i')nconsistencies or plot holes that violate the initial premises, established canon, continuity, or common sense, are often viewed as breaking this agreement.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby rsch20 » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 01:06:27

I will however admit a personal prejudice against a lot of alien invasion movies, The premise of a 'miraculous win' that happens in them is just too much of a stretch for me.

The high point of the movie is when Tim Robbin's character says 'There's no more a war between us and them than there is between men and maggots'

that's the basic truth (imo) of any realistic invasion scenario, that we would be completely outclassed and would lose, it's silly to suppose a species could be advanced enough to have intergalactic travel and not also completely dominate us in weaponry and defense and strategy etc etc.


I hated 'Independance Day' for that same reason, when the win is unrealistic to the point of delusional it just doesn't do it for me, the Aliens series and 'The Thing' were both good, but also are both based on a 'primal' alien that is more of a viral type of threat than a technological one.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 01:39:01

I don't really like these kinds of movies (although i have seens WOTW, Indep Day, blah), but i will say i really enjoyed Alien VS Predator... Ok, moving on. Has anyone seen trailer for "Transformers" ?? Looks a LOT like ID to me? although special effects look pretty nifty.

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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TITAN » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 03:28:18

More than likely, our diseases would be incompatible with their biology...
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 12:40:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '1'). the aliens put the machines in the earth millions of years ago... ok then why didn't they just take over then?


At that time there were no people to consume as fuel.


> 2. the aliens ...are stupid enough to get wiped out by something we are aware of at our supposedly much lower level of advancement?

Yes. That's the appeal. The suffering of an inferior group is the key to their triumph over a superior group.

Remember the last line in the movie: "Through a million deaths over millions of years, Man earned the right... " (or something to that effect)

Thus, you see why the plot appeals to Speilberg.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 15:26:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '1'). the aliens put the machines in the earth millions of years ago... ok then why didn't they just take over then?


At that time there were no people to consume as fuel.
all they do is blast the people to dust, they don't hook them up like in King's The Tommyknockers, so the point is valid and the story is goofy. Did H. G. Wells have the machines all buried? I thought that they came from space which makes much more sense.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 15:36:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'a')ll they do is blast the people to dust


I thought in the movie they ground people up for fertilizer for the mold they were growing for food/fuel.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 16:00:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'a')ll they do is blast the people to dust


I thought in the movie they ground people up for fertilizer for the mold they were growing for food/fuel.
oh, yeah, they pulled those people up. So that's what they were up to. Most folks just got zapped by those laser beams is what I was remembering. In my opinion, Spielberg is over-rated. He's never done anything to match his famous Jaws.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 16:05:03

Tommyjefferson wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') thought in the movie they ground people up for fertilizer for the mold they were growing for food/fuel.


The EROEI got them. It's obvious that the energy expended by the tripod in scooping up a human here and a human there while crossing vast swathes of countryside zapping everything is more than the energy in the humans contained in the cages.

Didn't they read Campbell jeesh.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 19:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'T')ommyjefferson wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') thought in the movie they ground people up for fertilizer for the mold they were growing for food/fuel.


The EROEI got them. It's obvious that the energy expended by the tripod in scooping up a human here and a human there while crossing vast swathes of countryside zapping everything is more than the energy in the humans contained in the cages.

Didn't they read Campbell jeesh.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I read a whole mess of comments at IMDB about this. Lots of very ernest examinations of the plausibility of the machines being buried for thousands of years, of the disease affecting them, of the use of humans as a food source - "It's a cookbook!"
My conclusion was these aliens are just not nice - they came to earth to zap us, chase us around, snicker at our attempts at blasting through their force shields, and the like. Think of them as three legged big eyed Iraq reconstruction contractors.
There are a few 9/11 refs in there - "They planned this a long time ago." Spielberg films are all above families coming back together. His idee fixe. Hence the touching scene at the end. Sniff. Lots of people hit the mute button whenever Dakota Fanning starts screaming.
The virus getting to the aliens is pure deus ex machina, it was present even in HG Well's novella. Take it out and you get something more like Tom Disch's The Genocides, where the aliens cover Earth with their crops and put up with the pesky humans for a while, like they're boll weevils, then fumigate them. This didn't exactly warm hearts in 1965!
I've seen the Spiel WOFTW a few times - quite enjoyable watching people crap their pants before being vaporized or grabbed by a tripod tentacle. Good eschatological cinema.
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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 21:19:48

The crowd scenes were the scariest part for me, I hate crowds....


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Re: Spielberg's War Of The Worlds

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 08:47:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')he crowd scenes were the scariest part for me, I hate crowds....


Me too. I bought three more AR15's last month for that very reason. Now every member of my family has their own.
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