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Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by TonyPrep » Tue 30 Jan 2007, 22:50:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'C')lose this thread already.
this one has probably gone on a bit too long but this kind of thread is useful for newbies who may be searching for a good denial argument. It's useful because it demonstrates that optimism about being able to continue business as usual is always (so far) based on wishful thinking. Perhaps threads such as this can get people past the denial stage and into an acceptance of the finite nature of the world.-
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by gego » Tue 30 Jan 2007, 22:54:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'S')omebody asked this earlier, but let me ask again... why are we still feeding this troll? He's obviously doing this to (a) push your buttons and (b) for attention. He's accomplishing both.
As for the original poster, oil_rocks, perhaps the moderators need to make him the lead guitarist on the peakoil.com BANNED!
Close this thread already.
As for the original poster, oil_rocks, perhaps the moderators need to make him the lead guitarist on the peakoil.com BANNED!
Close this thread already.
I don't think that this thread should be banned or closed.
I a nearby town, there is a fellow who is unquestionably the village idiot. He is pathetic, but people are kind, and understanding to him. If there is not a Libertarian candidate on the election ballot, I even write his name in under the theory that an idiot could do as well as anyone available to elect.
I think we should view this thread with the same compassion. Some people do not possess adequate wattage to generate sufficient light to see reality; it is not their fault, and we should be understanding. Also some people have personality problems that give them the need for attention, negative or positive, or the feeling of triumph, regardless of their ability to present logical arguments to justify their ascendancy to this position.
Other than suggesting that this thread be transferred to the Hall of Flames based on the likely disingenuous motives of its author, I think it should be continued. I am reminded of an English professor once whose big theme was that literature should never be censored because the bad gave us the contrast to appreciate the good. We need idiots posting on this site.
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by gego » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 00:12:17
By the way guys, I have just been notified by MonteQuest that I have been banned for moderator disrespect. It is justified because I have respect for most of his posts, but do not respect his tyrannical attitude as a moderator, but in a dictatorship there is no appeal.
I suppose I am an abrasive guy.
Actually I will be surprised if this post appears, but then maybe it will take him a little time to update the system.
In any event, I do abhor censorship, and I to thing that respect is earned, not commanded, so I guess I am guilty of moderator disrespect, not to mention a lot of other disrespect.
Bye.
I suppose I am an abrasive guy.
Actually I will be surprised if this post appears, but then maybe it will take him a little time to update the system.
In any event, I do abhor censorship, and I to thing that respect is earned, not commanded, so I guess I am guilty of moderator disrespect, not to mention a lot of other disrespect.
Bye.
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by TonyPrep » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 00:37:51
Bummer. I hadn't noticed that much disrespect from you. As a long time poster, I would have thought you'd be given just a warning.
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by oil_rocks » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 05:20:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'A')s for the original poster, oil_rocks, perhaps the moderators need to make him the lead guitarist on the peakoil.com BANNED!
Close this thread already.
Close this thread already.
Its amazing to me how so many people want this thread banned simply because someone is stating an opinion that is different from the majority. For all there talk of tolerance, its interesting to note that its really the left that has cornered the market on intolerance.
I'll try stating my position in a different way and notice that my theory is based on science and common sense and historical trends, and not simply unbridled passion like so many on this forum.
If we look at the peak oil crisis theory, i can honestly say that i believe in it, or at least a version of it. And i can also say that i believe that oil is a finite resource that will run out some day. The only difference i have with all of you is the timeline and the amount of shock that will hit our society as a result of it. And i'm quite certain i'm right about this. let me explain:
If we look at how this theory will play its self out, some people believe in the hardcore, far-left version of the theory which basically considers that all the worlds oil reserves are currently tapped and being drilled. they will soon follow the hubbert curve and begin running out which will cause total devastation to our economy. probably half of you on this forum believe in this version of the peak oil crisis.
Now others believe that peak may be delayed some x number of years because of various factors... new technology, finding new deposits, conservation, new fuels etc. Note, i am not saying that these new discoveries will prevent the oil crisis, but merely push it back a couple of years.
Now, my view is closer to the far right extreme view of the theory. which simply means that i believe there will be enough of the factors listed above to push it back many years. possibly dozens of years. maybe even, dare i say hundreds of years.
for those who believe the total societal collapse is imminent, i see those as the truely radical ones because it means they are on the far, far extreme left fringe of the theory. The ONLY way you could believe that is if you believe:
1) No new technologies will ever be invented
2) No new deposits will ever be found
3) No existing but untapped fields will ever be tapped
4) No country will ever be able to conserve even 1 barrel of oil
AND... and
5) No new forms of fuel will ever be found.
to me that's radical thinking!
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Re: Sorry, No such thing as Peak Oil
by oil_rocks » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 05:35:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'Y')ou make absurd statements like the first drop of oil produced from a field cost the same as the last drop.
i never said i believe that. I said the hubbert curve is based on that principal. which is why i say, yes, the hubbert curve applies to a single deposit, but not when u look at the earth as a whole. when u look at the earth as a whole you have to factor in that some deposits are more difficult to reach than others. To me that seems a pretty obvious statement.
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