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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby ALBY » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 19:04:34

the people like starbucks.

the people have spoken !

starbucks has literally CREATED the coffeehouse phenomenon in most of the united states. they are singlehandedly responsible for the rapid inflation in the price of a cup of coffee and the proliferation of coffee culture everyhwere. they may be responsible for the success of more independent shops than the destruction of independent shops, and probably by a factor of 10-1.

i say, find a way to make it work to your advantage. flow with the go.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby ALBY » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 19:10:18

im not into banning things. probably because the sheeples republic of maryland is always whining about my assault rifles.

to me, banners (as in those who ban) are unamerican.

mostly, i find these holier than thou eggheaded dogooders to be pedantic narcissists. their blather burns my ears and give me a headache.

don't be worrying about what the fuk i be doin
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 20:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'Y')our neighbors have spoken, Caver.

Beginning, middle, and end of story. That's all there is to it.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 20:50:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'Y')our neighbors have spoken Caver.

They haven't spoken, they've been jonesing. We are talking about a drug, caffeine. A more efficient dealer has come into the neighborhood.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby max_power29 » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 07:37:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'Y')our neighbors have spoken Caver.

They haven't spoken, they've been jonesing. We are talking about a drug, caffeine. A more efficient dealer has come into the neighborhood.


Good point
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 09:58:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')e don't even have a starbucks here.

Don't hold your breath. Starbucks is in the middle of adding 2000 sores to the USA. They're final making it to my town, with half a dozen locations currently under construction. They already snuck one in, inside of an existing Target.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby gego » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 02:39:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
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Secondly, the question is not some Bushesqe fantasy of freedom vs. those that hate freedom. The question is of whose freedom is pre-eminent. Should local people have the right to control the flavor of communities and their local commerce or should distant corporations have a right to impose their procrustean ideas of commerce, craft the whole world in their image, and convert it into a giant conveyer of cash going into a perpetually shrinking collection of pockets. Living in a world where everywhere looks like everywhere else and all the commerce is controlled by a few dozen CEO's thousands of miles away who suck up all the profits does not strike me as being freedom.


Your view of freedom is absurd. Just because you band together with some of your neighbors, you do not suddenly have the right to control what someone or some corporation does with its property so long as they do not commit overt acts of aggression against you. Competition in not aggression.

You are a fascist, pure and simple; that is not an accusation, it is a simple observation based on what you advocate. Maybe others should decide how you use your property based on their own wants and economic needs and tell you how to live your life, where to live and what business you are entitled to enter or not.

Your thinking makes me feel contempt toward you.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 12:38:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'M')aybe others should decide how you use your property based on their own wants and economic needs and tell you how to live your life,
Ahh, but of course they do my friend. They are seizing, for example, 25% of my income to fight a war that benefits their corporations. They're seizing another 15% for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies. Ever heard of zoning? Ever heard of building codes? Freedom of property is a joke my friend. The ONLY people that have freedom of property are those that have enough property to buy some freedom from a politician. The really rich ones can invest in a politician. The politicians are happy to sell them my property and my freedom at the right price.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby gego » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 12:56:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'A')hh, but of course they do my friend. They are seizing, for example, 25% of my income to fight a war that benefits their corporations. They're seizing another 15% for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies. Ever heard of zoning? Ever heard of building codes? Freedom of property is a joke my friend.


I am confused. You advocate your right to control the property of Starbucks, but you seem to object when you are deprived of your right to keep your own income and manage your own property. At least I am consistent in opposing all fascism including that your advocate and that to which you object.

I have heard of zoning laws and building codes and find them as objectionable which is why I live as far away from cities and towns as possible.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 13:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')Your view of freedom is absurd. Just because you band together with some of your neighbors, you do not suddenly have the right to control what someone or some corporation does with its property so long as they do not commit overt acts of aggression against you. Competition in not aggression.
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Actually the Supreme Court ruled that there is that right

Euclid Decision

Probably comes from the 'promoting of the general welfare' aspect of the government. Even before zoning there were town plans and such that coordinated land use and development for the benefit of all. With any power there is abuse and misuse. Often misuse is with the best of intentions and that's what I think this happening here.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 13:27:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'I') am confused. You advocate your right to control the property of Starbucks, but you seem to object when you are deprived of your right to keep your own income and manage your own property.

It's rather like being shackled and placed in a ring to fight a grizzly bear. Who do you think is going to win? Government is a commercial enterprise. It regulates the mass of people for the enrichment of a select few. It has been that way since Bob Morris turned the Continental Congress into a cash cow for East Coast Merchants at the expense of the soldiers fighting the revolutionary war. Did you know those soldiers all went unpaid so that Morris and his cronies could profit? Did you know that they came home to have their farms foreclosed en masse for taxes to further enrich Morris et al?

It is absurd to argue the sanctity of property after the government has handed 99% of the property to 1% of the population and encumbered us all under a litany of laws to further enrich that 1%.
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Re: trying to keep Starbucks out

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 16:25:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('caver456', 'H')i all - our peak oil group is trying to keep Starbucks from opening 2 new branches in our otherwise small town.


So this person crusades to force other people to do things, then comes here asking for some rationale for doing so.

Incredible.
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