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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 03:28:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Benzin', 'M')uch like the Matrix, choice is an illusion.


choice IS an illusion, this is however for most people impossible to fully grasp and/or accept. And realizing it does not have much practicle value anyway.

Blasphemy!!! 8)

Granted inside our little societal bubbles there is very little real choice yet there is an outside and going there is a choice that is much different then the choices of those on the inside.

There is sustainability and permaculture yet look around you and notice how few are making this choice.
It is life changing scary stuff indeed yet isnt the alternative even more worrisome? To peakers at least yeah?

Enter the sheeple principle which applies to even peakers.
Those who look at the facts and turn away in denial and somehow rationalize that they will fair well in suburbia post peak on their 1/8th of an acre etc etc printing books and selling solar ovens online!
We do not have to go far for an example.
Thats right I called Kunstler a sheeple now someone go tell him I said so please :-D
No need to tell Matt as he already knows how I feel about him.

BAHHHH I voted YES and I enjoy being part of a herd and not because I feel that way but because I know at least one of these sheeple does but isnt brave enough to admit it so I thought I would Represent! :lol:

"Oh yes, I am a sheeple, and oh so proud to be.
I am way too smart to believe in a conspiracy"
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 03:30:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.')..You are still a slave.

Slave to what?

Please give us your definition of freedom.
Slave to a political and economic system.

Freedom: Freedom is what happens when you are able to more or less take care of your own needs. Freedom is being able to travel where you want when you want. It's not being beholden to anyone except the creator and maybe your family for the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the land you walk on. Freedom is the antonym of American society. It is what life looks like when there aren't armies of accountants, and bureaucrats and claims adjusters salivating to scrutinize and dictate your every move. It is the state of dreaming big things and living big adventures. It entails the risk of big failures.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 03:57:13

Thats it!! I am making some coffee and I will return as this just might get good :)

Yeah SPG! why cant you see the wisdom in PMS' words and realize that he is giving you nothing but the truth... I mean gosh! :-D

Yeah Zardoz and PenultimatemanStanding - why dont you just admit to being the helpless hopeless slaves that you really are? :lol:
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby ECM » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 05:00:01

Lack of freedom does not make a person a sheeple. Mindlessly following is what makes a person a sheeple.

SPG you have taken the term sheeple and broadened it out to such a degree that it includes EVERYONE. We don't need another term that defines all people. There is already one and it is called humans. The term sheeple was used to define people that follow blindly and never question their leaders and peers. Wikipedia is a great source but certainly has a great deal of misinformation and personal opinion.

In order for society to exist freedoms of the indvidual must be sacrificed in favor of the group. This is compromise.

Slavery = sheeple is absurd.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby max_power29 » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 05:02:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')ell...there are so far 3 honest people out of 15 respondents. You are ALL bowing down to authority and you better believe it. About the only person in the US not bowing down to authority right now is that guy in NH, and he will bow or die. (And no you don't get to be all superior if you live in Europe or New Zealand. You're bleating along with the rest of us.)
I suppose a tribal arrangement with small numbers of hunter/gatherers would not have arrangements of authority? but even for them there are some kinds of authority set-ups, aren't there? at least vis-a-vis the children and the elders? I don't know. But I do know that life for us would be impossible and we would all soon be dead without delegation and social sanction of relationships of authority. That is the human condition. Or so it seems to me. I'm open to suggestions, how do we abolish all social arrangements where some people wield some sort of limited authority over others? And also, unless one is absolute dictator, everyone has some authority that they must answer to. And even absolute dictators answer to the necessity of constant vigilance against coup plots and the danger that they will wind up hung from a lamppost. So that would seem to mean that we are all born sheeple and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it, except to run off into the woods and eat roots and worms.


Yeah but when the authority gets corrupt, hypocrtical, spreads misinformation and lies and gets downright malevolent its time to stop being sheeple.

Local authority is much more accountable. Thats one reason why their is a push for an NWO. How much say do you think you have in world government? How about a tribe or village?

I don't think I have the mind of a sheeple anymore but I was already so hopelessly in debt and had already taken vows with my wife (which are sacred to me) before I was able to somewhat free my mind.

I'm starting to agree with the some of te others conpiracies about you. I dont trust you PMS :(
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby max_power29 » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 05:15:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')ell...there are so far 3 honest people out of 15 respondents. You are ALL bowing down to authority and you better believe it. About the only person in the US not bowing down to authority right now is that guy in NH, and he will bow or die. (And no you don't get to be all superior if you live in Europe or New Zealand. You're bleating along with the rest of us.)


I agree that guy in NH is one bad MF. I applaud him. He deserves one of these:

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If I were single I would go help him but I cant because sadly i am to much of a sheeple.

At this point in time its not worth my daughter growing up without a father. the tyrrany is not quite bad enough yet and most sheeple can still not even detect it. also, resource depletion may eventually make it impossible to continue pulling the wool over the masses eyes and to rule centrally anymore anyways.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 07:26:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'L')ack of freedom does not make a person a sheeple. Mindlessly following is what makes a person a sheeple.

SPG you have taken the term sheeple and broadened it out to such a degree that it includes EVERYONE. We don't need another term that defines all people. There is already one and it is called humans. The term sheeple was used to define people that follow blindly and never question their leaders and peers. Wikipedia is a great source but certainly has a great deal of misinformation and personal opinion.

In order for society to exist freedoms of the indvidual must be sacrificed in favor of the group. This is compromise.

Slavery = sheeple is absurd.

New words do not settle quickly and are usually defined over time like people and even then, as many of us know, words can morph and change meaning rapidly.
Slavery is an economic reality for many yet most 1st worlders fail to realize it, rarely if ever question it and thus keep chasing the golden ring = sheeple.
The 3rd worlders who are dying to get into the first world just wish to be better paid slaves yet most of them probably have no delusions of freedom and are therefore less sheeplish then the 1st worlders.

I say we need new word damnit!!
See what you have caused! :lol:
I have said it several times already.
Please welcome Sheeplish and sheeplishness to the peak oil lexicon!
As in "I think you are acting quite sheeplish today PMS" or "Your sheeplishness is quite evident Zardoz". :)
Now go out and use these new words with verve and vigor!
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 08:23:24

If we can eat it post peak with a bit of hot BBQ sauce then thats cool :)
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 10:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '
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Yeah but when the authority gets corrupt, hypocrtical, spreads misinformation and lies and gets downright malevolent its time to stop being sheeple.

Local authority is much more accountable. Thats one reason why their is a push for an NWO. How much say do you think you have in world government? How about a tribe or village?

I don't think I have the mind of a sheeple anymore but I was already so hopelessly in debt and had already taken vows with my wife (which are sacred to me) before I was able to somewhat free my mind.

I'm starting to agree with the some of te others conpiracies about you. I dont trust you PMS :(
oh geebus, they're saying I work for the NSA or something like that? all I'm saying is that people are romanticizing the whole slavery/freedom thing. When has there never been corruption? You want to see corruption, go to Mexico! I think SPG is just extrapolating a general sense of unhappiness with and distaste for modern life and wrapping it up rather poorly in political concepts that don't apply. Rather fundymentalist in outlook. The fruit don't fall too far from the tree.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 11:12:21

I'm a bit uncertain of the definition now. It mentions "herd mentality" in the definition, which makes sense - sheep are a herd animal. Is there an authority in a herd? I thought it was an organizational system where you basically blindly follow the guy next to you (go with the flow). Wolves have a rigid authority hierarchy, organized around a pack and a pack leader. Are Wolves sheeple (animalistically speaking)? Humans to me seem to have a combination of the organizational structures seen throughout the animal kingdom. I try not to be blind to the realities around me, and also manage to stay pretty happy so if that makes me a sheeple then Baaaaaaaa.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 11:18:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.')..You are still a slave.

Slave to what?

Please give us your definition of freedom.
Slave to a political and economic system.

Freedom: Freedom is what happens when you are able to more or less take care of your own needs. Freedom is being able to travel where you want when you want. It's not being beholden to anyone except the creator and maybe your family for the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the land you walk on. Freedom is the antonym of American society. It is what life looks like when there aren't armies of accountants, and bureaucrats and claims adjusters salivating to scrutinize and dictate your every move. It is the state of dreaming big things and living big adventures. It entails the risk of big failures.

You just described a hunter-gatherer society.

Freedom, Neanderthal-style

The subject has been thoroughly gone through on that thread, but the point is that without those armies of accountants, bureaucrats, claims adjusters, and peace officers, we would all be free to live Somali-style.

Those of you who long for a society free of authority need to spend some time living in countries where there is none, other than the authority of 14-year-old orphans packing AK-47s. Your trust in the goodness of human nature is curious. You all know what we naked apes act like when there is nothing to inhibit our true natures, yet you complain about living in a society in which we've established ways to make it possible to live in comfort and safety.

Sure, it gets really compicated and frustrating at times, but what are your alternatives? SPG, your above post sounds beautiful and all, but if it is attainable anywhere but on the written page, why hasn't it been implemented anywhere on this planet? Is there some place where it is? I sure can't think of any culture other than possibly the very most primitive remnant hunter-gatherer tribes. Would you choose to live like them? You're free to go and try to join them, I suppose. We sheeple would miss you, but we'd understand, and wish you good luck.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 12:20:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'I') agree that guy in NH is one bad MF. I applaud him. He deserves one of these:
If I were single I would go help him but I cant because sadly i am to much of a sheeple.

This is what I'm saying. The distinction between a sheeple and a person is that a person is unwilling to live in slavery and actually sticks their neck out to try and get free. NH guy...not a sheeple. Me....I may be off in the far part of the paddock trying my best to be seperated from the herd and the collies, but in the end, I'm still a sheeple.

Is there anywhere in the world today that freedom exists? Not really. Even the deepest reaches of the Amazon have been conquered and tamed by the mighty accountants. Does freedom exist in Somalia? Of course not. Those people are living in dirty over populated urban squalor. The central feature of freedom is that you have access to the things that you need to survive. Begging a warlord for a cup of rice so you don't starve is not freedom. Neither is working all day at a job you hate and then buying a Crappy Meal from McDonalds on the way home.

Docility and sheepleness are necessary characteristics when one lives in overcrowded urban squalor. Free humans can not exist at population densities of 100,000 per square mile. Not only is there no way to obtain your own food at that density, the land can't even detoxify that amount of people poop. Living in a city clearly makes you dependent on others feeding you and others cleaning up after you when you poop. It's sort of like being a puppy at the pet store. I think docility and sheepleness also breed human overpopulation. If feeding you and cleaning up after you is somebody else's problem, why not have 15 more kids? It's not like you're going to have to feed and clean up after them.

How do we gnaw our leg off and get free from this trap? How does a sheeple learn to be a big horn running free in the mountains? Seems to me that the critical factor is that we've got to stop breeding. There isn't room for 7 billion free humans on this planet. I spend my time trying to convince people to use effective birth control and doing their abortions. I realize that I'm trying to plug a dike with my finger. I realize that I'm loosing and that the situation is spiraling more and more out of control. I don't know what more I can do.

I'll close with a quote from Buffy Ste. Marie.

"Now here ya' come, bill of sale in your hand
and surprise in your eyes that we're lacking in thanks
for the blessings of civilization you've brought us
the lessons you've taught us
the ruin you've wrought us
Look were our trust in America's got us.
My country tis of thy people your dying."
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 12:45:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')The fruit don't fall too far from the tree.
[smilie=pottytrain2.gif] Pucker up :razz:
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby max_power29 » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 17:11:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I')'m a bit uncertain of the definition now. It mentions "herd mentality" in the definition, which makes sense - sheep are a herd animal. Is there an authority in a herd? I thought it was an organizational system where you basically blindly follow the guy next to you (go with the flow). Wolves have a rigid authority hierarchy, organized around a pack and a pack leader. Are Wolves sheeple (animalistically speaking)? Humans to me seem to have a combination of the organizational structures seen throughout the animal kingdom. I try not to be blind to the realities around me, and also manage to stay pretty happy so if that makes me a sheeple then Baaaaaaaa.


The SHEPHERD has the power to take care of the sheep and lead them or lead them to the slaughter and exploit them.

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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 19:52:32

NH guy is dumb. I haven't paid income tax for over 25 years. Direct confrontation is for potential martyrs. Living "beneath the radar" is empowering.

I"M FREEER THAT ALLA YEZ!

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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 20:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '
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Yeah but when the authority gets corrupt, hypocrtical, spreads misinformation and lies and gets downright malevolent its time to stop being sheeple.

Local authority is much more accountable. Thats one reason why their is a push for an NWO. How much say do you think you have in world government? How about a tribe or village?

I don't think I have the mind of a sheeple anymore but I was already so hopelessly in debt and had already taken vows with my wife (which are sacred to me) before I was able to somewhat free my mind.

I'm starting to agree with the some of te others conpiracies about you. I dont trust you PMS :(
oh geebus, they're saying I work for the NSA or something like that? all I'm saying is that people are romanticizing the whole slavery/freedom thing. When has there never been corruption? You want to see corruption, go to Mexico! I think SPG is just extrapolating a general sense of unhappiness with and distaste for modern life and wrapping it up rather poorly in political concepts that don't apply. Rather fundymentalist in outlook. The fruit don't fall too far from the tree.

Lion got your tongue christian or do you have other issues with saying the word Jesus as a "curse" word.....
Other people as well as myself have noticed the fundy turd cresting and I think its time you let it out sir.

You do not have to wear the badge or cash the company check to be "working" for THEM.
Until I drop out completely everything I do will be working for them.
The only real difference between us is that one of us realizes it and the other does not.
Most of the time TPTB have things perfectly under control and all that they require of you is silence or the occassional "bahhhahh".
Please do not flatter yourself by suggesting that we think you are getting paid for acting mentally retarded in online debate as only people like Carlos Mencia can pull that off repeatedly.

"Corruption exists therefore do not try to see it and by all means do nothing about it" THUS SPOKE PMS.

Why mexico? Why do you people always point to some other country?
You people also like to tell us people to "go there" AS IF we should not think about staying here and changing the most corrupt nation on the planet first.

4% of the population 25% of the trash, pollution and energy consumption and that does not count the extra crap we get from china et al which makes up our huge trade deficit and yes more trash pollution and energy consumption that goes unreported by the scholary bean counting ballerina's.

Enron, Adelphia, Arthur Anderson, Global Crossing, Halliburton, Worldcom, Exxon, Phar mor, Shell, HP, Cendant, Tyco, Quest, State farm, Red Cross, Citigroup, GE capitol, Jp morgan chase, Price waterhouse coopers and on and on and on.

Then we have Abu ghraib, yellow cake forgery which is why libby is on trial as we type, WMD's in Iraq, DU munitions, downing street memo, Mark Foley and his love of young boys, Pardongate, Iran contra, Debate gate, Nixon!, watergate, pentagon papers etc etc etc and let us not forget Swaggart and Haggert and Maybe toss in a Jim Jones and a few catholic priests for good measure!!

By no means should this be seen as even a partial listing and its just the simple stuff that can be easily proven.
I imagine how many crimes TPTB would say I have committed in my life and then I look at the very tiny amount I have ever been found guilty of - if my personal experiences are even a slight indication of reality then the majority of the corruption remains hidden.

I think SPG is just like the rest of us and tired of playing along, lying to ourselves, believing their lies and otherwise going Bahhhh as our mother is raped and tortured in the name of progress or God........ take your pick.

The realization that I could pen a book on this subject just occurred to me thus I shall refrain at this point. :lol:

Perhaps your main problem is in your attempt to isolate such a grand concept as freedom within the realm of politics only.
Hey at least most of SPG's fruit is not rotten before it hits the ground....

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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 20:09:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', '
')I"M FREEER THAT ALLA YEZ!


When I saw this thread earlier today, I was reminded of your epic battle last year obtaining a Post Office Box without a valid ID. I believe on this website, you are the closest thing to truly being off the grid.
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby Bas » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 20:10:39

yo NEOPO, I've been wondering for some time, what's that little thing in the top right corner of your avatar, is it a surveillance camera?
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 21:17:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', '
')I"M FREEER THAT ALLA YEZ!


When I saw this thread earlier today, I was reminded of your epic battle last year obtaining a Post Office Box without a valid ID. I believe on this website, you are the closest thing to truly being off the grid.


Awesome - bravo and I am not worthy but I am drinking 100% organic goats milk and will one day be off grid as well!
Dont think you can hog all of the alt energy, human humus and fresh vegetables for long! :)
What does it feel like to have alot less blood on your hands?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'y')o NEOPO, I've been wondering for some time, what's that little thing in the top right corner of your avatar, is it a surveillance camera?


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Who would think there would be so much to a tiny little symbol that looks like a video camera more then it does an owl but hey I tried 8)
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Re: SHEEPLE Poll " We the Sheeple..."

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 21:30:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '[')
Awesome - bravo and I am not worthy but I am drinking 100% organic goats milk and will one day be off grid as well!
Dont think you can hog all of the alt energy, human humus and fresh vegetables for long! :)


I think their is a little Oowolf in everyone here but if you follow Oowolf's posts I think you could concur that he has been "Seasoned" the longest. C'mon now, could you see Pops,Monte, or even SPG refusing to provide a valid ID to get a PO box? Not questioning you or anyone else's level of doomerocity, just giving props to a stubborn oldtimer(how old are you Oowolf?) with big pair of rocks.
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