[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'U')mmmm...what exactly are you implying?

I am not good at , nor do I like, irony and facetiousness.

Please give me something I can understand. or respond to.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'H')ahaha...sorry, but I am drinking Scotch...good single malt Scots whisky, and it's hard to follow things...sorrry...but please be a little more straighforward, and less circumspect. Thanks

[gampy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'H')ahaha...sorry, but I am drinking Scotch...good single malt Scots whisky, and it's hard to follow things...sorrry...but please be a little more straighforward, and less circumspect. Thanks

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'L')ook..I am in no way a femi-nazi. Or an apologist for them. But after reading through this thread and posting a reply, I have to say that you are misguided about women's role in industry.

The fact of the matter is, we still live in a patriarchial society. Yes, women are elected to the senate, and Martha Stewart and Oprah own half of Manhattan and Chicago. But the fact remains that for the majority of women...it's still a man's world...some might like that fact, but it still sucks for the average girl.

It's attitudes like your's that make it hard for the average girl, like the average guy, to get ahead in this world. Affirmative action might seem discrimintory to you, but all it means is that you need to compete with women, as well as men. Live with it.

[gampy]

Oh...just as an aside, some people will tell you that scotch is best imbibed neat, meaning by itself...no ice....no water....but I think a really good scotch is best with just a very small spalsh of water...it really does bring out the bouquet...that irrespressible oaky...mellow, and woody flavour.

Just a suggestion....it's all up to the imbiber...

But a single cube of ice with a really good scotch...is welll....shit. Lol.

[gampy]

LOCUTUS:

I am not a womyn's major...gods forbid.

Lol. I am sympathetic to the poor boy's plight, i really am. But it really is true. Competition for the best candidate should mean just that .

Women...man...blackman...brownman....whatever.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'O')h...just as an aside, some people will tell you that scotch is best imbibed neat, meaning by itself...no ice....no water....but I think a really good scotch is best with just a very small spalsh of water...it really does bring out the bouquet...that irrespressible oaky...mellow, and woody flavour.

Just a suggestion....it's all up to the imbiber...

But a single cube of ice with a really good scotch...is welll....shit. Lol.

[Lokutus]

Back in 81 or 82 one of my philosophy profs and I were discussing feminism in his office. This is around the time women decided that they all had to have careers. Feminism was just kicking into effect. I will never forget his great insight, "Just wait till they find out what's it's like working in the corporate world. Then they'll be leaving it in droves."

Funny how if you read the business section of major newspapers and business magazines, you come across seemingly monthly articles on how business is having difficulty attracting and retaining female employees. Especially the young ones (ie, under 35).

Considering what a soul destroying place large corporations are, this should come as no shock to anyone.

Men have no choice in the matter. They have to be the main providerno matter how much fminist rhetoric their spouse spews out.

Women want it all. A career. A man to support them. They also expect to be able to move back and forth between the two tracks on a whim.

Sorry girls, but that's not how the world works.


Trivia: Back in the 1980s ms magazine was about to go out of business. Then arch feminist Gloria Steinem managed to get a business loan out of her rich boy friend at the last moment and saved it.

If it weren't for her BF, that rag would be history.

[gampy]

Dude..do not give up on scotch...it's an aquired taste, but once you start to enjoy it, it makes all the yucky taste tests worthwhile. Scotch has always given me a buzz that no other booze provides.

Seriously...it really is a distinct buzz. The flavour....the oaky...mapley...overtones....the heavy...very heavy....buzzz that permeates your innards.

And it's damn cool to extol the vitrues of scotch....lol. It's the best boooze for the civilized man.

[frankthetank]

One of the only growing sector of jobs in the US is health care, and women have got to outnumber men by quite a lot in this field.

[gampy]

Locutus:

I completely understand what you are saying. I have seen it firsthand myself. But that does not make the...god...dare I say it..."the emancipation of women"... a false god.

Look. I am a guy. I hate lazy , fuckass goofballs...whether they be men or women...I am not sure who makes up the larger portion of that equation, but.....I really have to say that like it or not ....women in the workforce are here to stay...deal.

[Lokutus]

They may be here to stay but I prefer all male offices simply because you can relax and not have to watch your jokes.

In offices with women you have to be paranoid about what you say and how you act. An absent minded gaze in the wrong direction can have you summoned to the HR dept for a reprimand.

Most men I know these days only talk business at work for this reason. They avoid anything personal and take lunches and breaks alone or with guys.

Women have created a chilly environment in most offices.

[Ludi]

Lokutus, I think that can be a serious problem. I used to work in a primarily male field which during the period in which I was employed in it, transitioned to having more women. When I started out, it was mostly men, with perhaps one woman in the shop and one in the office. There was one restroom, full of porn. Jokes were filthy, language was rough. Big deal. Several years later when things had changed in the filed and there were more women, I heard rumors of guys getting reprimanded for asking their female coworkers out on dates, or for making dirty jokes. *Shrug* All I can say is, the porn and filth never bothered me. I was working in a "man's field," doing a "man's job." I never felt either discriminated against nor treated special. But I've never understood gender inequality, gender bias, or sexism.

[gampy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '
')
In offices with women you have to be paranoid about what you say and how you act. An absent minded gaze in the wrong direction can have you summoned to the HR dept for a reprimand.

Most men I know these days only talk business at work for this reason. They avoid anything personal and take lunches and breaks alone or with guys.

Women have created a chilly environment in most offices.

[cynicalheretic]

I am not taking a side in this little debate. I will say this, I have worked at several jobs where I am seen women who were merely asked out on a date... claim sexual harrassment and the person was immediatly fired. In one of these cases the women who had the man fired was next in line for the position.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'I') think anyone who works predominately with females will tell you the same.

[gampy]

Well Loki, I am sad to hear that.

I don't wish to offend or anything, but from what I gather, your lack of success could also be atributed to your attitudes as well, perhaps.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')though I did occasionally feel the estrogen level was a bit too high for my tastes

[cynicalheretic]

Good looking women should be strippers and whores. The ugly ones would work best as pot hole covers.

[gampy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'G')ood looking women should be strippers and whores. The ugly ones would work best as pot hole covers.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'F')rom the language you use Loki, it does come across, to me at least, that you might have had a problem with women as bosses to begin with. That kind of thing is usually self-defeating.