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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby davep » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 13:21:43

So, in essence the moon orbits the earth relatively quickly, while the earth orbits the sun somewhat more slowly. Groovy man!
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 16:45:25

Raphael, isn't that just empty symbolism? I mean the assumptions are unbased and disconnected.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 20:43:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', 'R')aphael, isn't that just empty symbolism? I mean the assumptions are unbased and disconnected.
No they are not.
The simple answer is 'everything is connected'.
Based on what?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')sn't that what science is attempting to achieve with the pursuit of it's Holy Grail...TOE or the "Theory Of Everything"?
And if science does discover such a formula ... it will need an accompanying myth, I will suggest.
Why would it need a myth?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut on this thread, the author, Ian Beardsly and I seem to agree on many points.
http://www.jcf.org/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=2053&forum=38&14
What is interesting is his fascination for numbers, math, chemistry etc. Why does his science and math and my metaphysical cosmogony mesh?
That isn't science. It lacks reasoning, for instance this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') found another instance of 1.8 (9/5). The moon of Jupiter called Callisto is 1.8 times as dense as water. Some facts about it are that it is Jupiters second largest moon and is the third largest in the solar system.
Why Callisto? Why not look at another moon? Why look at moons at all? These questions aren't answered.

Why? Because he is looking for any confirmation, without building a logical relationship between each part. And considering all the different things in the world, one can find many things that share any chosen ratio. It is also the same reason that some people see the face of jesus in toast.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby greenworm » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 23:31:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') day is a day. No matter what you use to measure it. Therefore I don't see 29.5 days being incorrect.


No. You can define a day to be anything you want. See, when you say 'a day is a day', you are just repeating yourself, you are not actually making an argument as to why a 'day is a day'. I never suggested 29.5 is incorrect, it depends on your reference point. You are using 12:60 time based on the sun's rotation, so in this case the moon's rotation is 29.5. In my case, I don't need to follow this paradigm, so I decided to redefine my days just a bit longer due to how I view the moon from my reference point, which is heavily based on the closest full moon(which is the moon you should be concerned about in gardening).
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby Doly » Wed 10 Jan 2007, 06:48:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I')n my case, I don't need to follow this paradigm, so I decided to redefine my days just a bit longer due to how I view the moon from my reference point, which is heavily based on the closest full moon(which is the moon you should be concerned about in gardening).


1) How do you define a day? And how do you avoid confusion with the day that the rest of people have?

2) How does the moon affect gardening?
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Wed 10 Jan 2007, 14:58:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') day is a day. No matter what you use to measure it. Therefore I don't see 29.5 days being incorrect.


No. You can define a day to be anything you want. See, when you say 'a day is a day', you are just repeating yourself, you are not actually making an argument as to why a 'day is a day'. I never suggested 29.5 is incorrect, it depends on your reference point.

Would "a single rotation of a planet around its axis" be better?.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are using 12:60 time based on the sun's rotation, so in this case the moon's rotation is 29.5.

Yes, a solar reference is used, but the 12:60 part is optional.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 11 Jan 2007, 00:22:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) How do you define a day? And how do you avoid confusion with the day that the rest of people have?


When I see the tip of the sun come up the mountain, I call this the start. When the moon is directly aligned with me when I walk out my front door, I call this the end of the day and the beginning of moon time. When the moon rotates to the right and nearly becomes out of sight , this is the end of moon time and ironically time for bed. You should try it, it is great for farming as your days become longer in the summer time when a ton of stuff needs to get done. I don't really go anywhere, so it really hasn't been a problem.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')) How does the moon affect gardening?


Gravitational pull becomes stronger during a full moon. Watch your plants and the growth spurt they achieve when a full moon is passing and of course the night temps are within a favorable range (55-71).
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Thu 11 Jan 2007, 11:56:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')And what role does gravity play?
A full and better understanding of gravity will allow humanity to tie the knot...to come full circle...the snake eats its tail...
We cannot see gravity, we cannot measure the particles of force because we cannot find them.

As a force it can be detected.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es gravity is key...the glue holding us together.

No, those are atomic and molecular bonds hold us together.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can say almost with certainty that when this particle or wave is finally measured, the graviton will be the reciprocal in size to the Universe…i.e. the Universe I believe is estimated to be in a range of 10 to the power of +30 - +35 … so the smallest particle of graviton would be 10 power of –30 to –35.
And logic would dictate that as the Universe continues to ‘expand’, the graviton would continue to ‘contract’ and become smaller.

Let me guess this is your intuition speaking......

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut to accept my proof would require the rewriting of HIStory, and this is where we apparently seem to be stuck in the ‘WEST’.

So reality and you ideas don't match.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby katkinkate » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 06:26:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '.')........
Gravitational pull becomes stronger during a full moon......


IT DOES NOT!!!!!

Strewth that MYTH really pisses me off. The moon doesn't change its shape, size or mass (therefore gravity) during it's 'monthly' cycle. It's just a big surface that reflects the sunlight. Full moon is just when the half of the moon facing the sun is also mostly facing the earth so we can see it all. At the new moon that half reflecting the sun is beaming the sunlight back toward the sun so we can't see it. Gravity is virtually constant, varying only with the moon's distance from the earth.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 13:43:40

Raphael, did you miss this part?:

"varying only with the moon's distance from the earth."
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 13:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '.')........
Gravitational pull becomes stronger during a full moon......


IT DOES NOT!!!!!

Strewth that MYTH really pisses me off. The moon doesn't change its shape, size or mass (therefore gravity) during it's 'monthly' cycle. It's just a big surface that reflects the sunlight. Full moon is just when the half of the moon facing the sun is also mostly facing the earth so we can see it all. At the new moon that half reflecting the sun is beaming the sunlight back toward the sun so we can't see it. Gravity is virtually constant, varying only with the moon's distance from the earth.


In a way, the grav pull does strengthen, because of the angle relationship of the sun, moon and Earth. Say the moon pull is 1 and the sun pull is .5, during a solar eclipse (sun, moon, earth lined up), the two could be additive so to speak (1.5) , while a couple weeks later the moon is 90 degrees of the sun-earth line so there's a .5 pull stright and a 1 pull sideways (hope I'm explaining this possibility right). 14 or so days later, moon is behind earth, sun has .5 in one direction and moon has 1 in the other direction, adding to a .5 total effect so to speak. Following that thought, there are better times to plant or harvest, and better times to prune and get rid of pests, due to the moon's gravitational effect on water and capillary action. Apogee, perigee and the presence or absence of a "hih loft" moon also affects the degree of gravitational effect.

And even if the entire moon gardening theory is ever proved to be complete hogwash, I assure you that it is still a great schedule to follow, taking into account all tasks related to horticulture and agriculture. The old ones had a fair bit of wisdom through centuries of observations, much more than today's knuckleheads.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 13:56:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'I') like the direction this is going.
The wee lambs are falling into my trap.


I wasn't aware rubber rooms were a sign of superiority.

Can I be a ram instead, ewe bastige?
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby AWPrime » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 19:46:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')And what role does gravity play?
A full and better understanding of gravity will allow humanity to tie the knot...to come full circle...the snake eats its tail...
We cannot see gravity, we cannot measure the particles of force because we cannot find them.
As a force it can be detected.

So much of this discussion is about gravity.
[snip]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n chemistry, gravity is the density of a fluid, particularly a fuel. It is expressed in degrees, with lower numbers indicating heavier liquids and higher numbers indicating lighter liquids. See specific gravity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(chemistry)

You just can't switch different meanings of the word around as you go.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his could help explain our attraction for dense pure gold that shines as opposed to dense dull lead.
Where is the logic here?


[/quote]How would you define gravity AW ?[/quote]
Minimal space-time distortion by mass, creating an attractive effect between particles.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/09/27/surgeons_plan_zero_gravity_operation_aboard_plane/[/url]
http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR2001/argo.htm
This following site talking about Zero-Gravity is best.
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-15/138_read-3124/
Those links have nothing to do with the topic; they are mere tests involving free-fall. During freefall, gravity is still acting on them, only they create the illusion of weightlessness. So is there a point to this, except trying to go offtopic?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')BVIOUSLY not ... I quoted that part specifically because she seemed to contradict herself.
If you have read the post properly you would have noticed that Kat objected to the myth that the moon reflection influences the gravity.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar

Unread postby greenworm » Fri 12 Jan 2007, 23:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')T DOES NOT!!!!!

Strewth that MYTH really pisses me off. The moon doesn't change its shape, size or mass (therefore gravity) during it's 'monthly' cycle. It's just a big surface that reflects the sunlight. Full moon is just when the half of the moon facing the sun is also mostly facing the earth so we can see it all. At the new moon that half reflecting the sun is beaming the sunlight back toward the sun so we can't see it. Gravity is virtually constant, varying only with the moon's distance from the earth.


Not sure where you are getting your info from, but I hate to tell you that it is WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! :razz: :razz: :razz:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moontides/

I will be awaiting your link. :lol:
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