[Armageddon]

Capturing and killing the leader of the army you are fighting , and replacing their military and government tells me the US have accomplished their goals.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'H')ow do you define win ? By the amount of dead ? By the length of time occupying ?

[PolestaR]

If you define winning as being able to bomb/kill people in a foreign country, I don't think anyone has ever lost.

America is there for an objective, they have to complete it to be successful, to win. You really want to spend trillions just to let off a few bombs and hang someone? Because it can be done for a few million if thats all you want.

[threadbear]

Wow Armegeddon, You mean a fairly large group of people is secretly planning to do something nasty? What are you, some kind of conspiracy freak?

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'H')ow do you define win ? By the amount of dead ? By the length of time occupying ?

[Armageddon]

The US is there for the oil. And as long as they are getting ME oil, they are winning. Having control of the oil and building permanent military bases was the objective. They have reached both objectives.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'Y')ou cannot institute democracy on people who do not want to be democratized. There is no way to stop the insurgency. The US is fighting people from several neighboring countries which are being supplied with ammo from russia, iran and china.

[Armageddon]

Bush could care less if everybody in iraq dies in a civil war. The oil is what he is there for.

[Armageddon]

Bush beat china and india to iraq's oil. Those two huge energy needing countries need oil, and Bush was not going to lose out on the second largest proven oil reserve on the planet. He won.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'B')ush beat china and india to iraq's oil. Those two huge energy needing countries need oil, and Bush was not going to lose out on the second largest proven oil reserve on the planet. He won.

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'B')ush beat china and india to iraq's oil. Those two huge energy needing countries need oil, and Bush was not going to lose out on the second largest proven oil reserve on the planet. He won.

[spear]

From the article on the first post,it was made crystal clear that the US has no intentions of departing from the ME anytime soon,so its fair to assume that it will get worse before it gets better.
This game will go on for the next few years.The next US president will inherit it.
Personally I think that Bush,being an oil man,will if nothing else set the stage for a rising oil price before he goes.
The tensions will be raised to a point where there is a huge profit for a select few.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')ure America could drop the old H-bomb and kill most countries if it wanted, but then it would face it's own annihilation from other similarly equipped countries. So they can't really do that, or they lose. Putting it on the table sounds like the usual sore loser attitude "Yeah if we played the game again I'd beat you this time".