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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 19:33:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')obody is "assigned" to do specific tasks in a tribe, in general. In general (though it is hard to make generalisations about such diversity), tasks are in common.

Some tribes have/had the concept of personal property, though the land would be in common.



Hmmmm, that I did not know, please excuse this Paleface.

I wonder how delegation and authority differ from a tribe with a commune like Dancing Rabbit. In the tribe orders are given by a Cheif or Shaman versus a group committee. In a commune can a individual step up and take charge in a emergency if a impass is reached?
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby holmes » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 19:57:06

GOD HELP US ALL! IF THERE IS SUCH A THING!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby holmes » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 20:20:06

The environment is being shredded in all those utopian communist hot spots. venezuela is being shredded. The last roadless area by Hugo Chavez. Giving it to the people. so they can piss it away. Both capitalism in its present form and communism are an environmental failure. Im so sick of the lies and propaganda associated with both these shitstems. Coomie is worse than cappy! Thats proven. Coommie you blow it out faster. Cappy slower. Now that we have a slimy mixture of both in the US the rate of destruction increases. Breed poeple! Breed! And give it all to people that dont deserve a dirty pair of shitstained underwear. Thats the worst. Give things to people that dont deserve a freakin thing. Like they have to right to havbe anything. Be an idiot get rewarded! Recipe for disaster. cappy and gov want mass bodies of unthinking zombies to buy products. commie wants the same to work as slaves for the elites. actually cappy has desolved in direct relation with the production of human biomass. Unique is out. Clones are in. Hooray! Both shitstems win!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 20:37:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'U')nique is out. Clones are in. Hooray! Both shitstems win!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 20:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'U')nique is out. Clones are in. Hooray! Both shitstems win!


Thats no bull!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby holmes » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 21:07:10

For the love of god, PM! It seems there is a method to my madness and truth as well.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 21:30:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'F')or the love of god, PM! It seems there is a method to my madness and truth as well.


Yes indeed and I'll expand on it.

USA/NAFTA:Big Hat? No Cattle? No Problem! Gov bailout of consumer debt =new prison issue hat! Cloned Cattle!

Communism/Stalin:No Hat? No Cattle? Shoot Farmer.
Now hat part of new uniform and"The People"have all the cattle!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby americandream » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 18:27:25

Hmmm.....wow....such incredible stupidity.....you really ought to leave political futures to the intelligensia stupids.

Oh well, here's a go at explaining 101 survival in the post peak world. It's pretty basic stuff mongrels...

Whats the choice in a post peak world.....eeerrrr....as we all know its either

rampant chaos of the grossest primevalism in which, if one follows the overwhelming logic in here, Genghis Khan-Adolf Hitler style uber capitalist feudal overlords will be let loose on the planet to rape pillage and loot every and all things including male, female and game birds.... with me so far stupids.....or

the other alternative is a concerted group effort by all of us with half a brain each globally to collectivise our limited futures under some semblance of secular rational co-operation and communitarianism in which, at least an attempt can start to be made to inventorise and share out whats left, you know..... sustainable future planning as opposed to this ad hoc John Waynism you yanks seem to so thrive on in the land of godly nonsense.

Now...does that make sense to you or are you so addicted to your macho bullshit shopping frenzy lifestyle that you're only playing at this.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby americandream » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 18:42:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'T')he environment is being shredded in all those utopian communist hot spots. venezuela is being shredded. The last roadless area by Hugo Chavez. Giving it to the people. so they can piss it away. Both capitalism in its present form and communism are an environmental failure. Im so sick of the lies and propaganda associated with both these shitstems. Coomie is worse than cappy! Thats proven. Coommie you blow it out faster. Cappy slower. Now that we have a slimy mixture of both in the US the rate of destruction increases. Breed poeple! Breed! And give it all to people that dont deserve a dirty pair of shitstained underwear. Thats the worst. Give things to people that dont deserve a freakin thing. Like they have to right to havbe anything. Be an idiot get rewarded! Recipe for disaster. cappy and gov want mass bodies of unthinking zombies to buy products. commie wants the same to work as slaves for the elites. actually cappy has desolved in direct relation with the production of human biomass. Unique is out. Clones are in. Hooray! Both shitstems win!


So why did kapitalist deride commie for not having jeans, shops and other rara in Moscow? There was a time when your average Muskovite had to live on rationed consumerism...hows that wasteful compared to Wal-Mart cornucopianism.

Apparently the Soviets also had the "absurd" practice of using unhygenic recycled glasses as opposed to plastic cups, to quote one instance of comunist "wastefulness". The Poles used mule drawn haycarts in the backwards east pre "liberation"...ring a bell?

We're constantly reminded of how backwards the Cubans are. As for the Venezuelans, Chavez has not thrown his arms open to Wal-Mart has he. He's merely spreading the national goodies fairly in providing health and education to the masses. In fact, if anything, he has had to prune back his marxist platform because of your N American overlords beliggerence. Are you telling me that the squalor of your puppet regimes are better than sustained and low profile communariarianism?

Get your facts right conditioned slave!!
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby Polemic » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 19:33:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'c')ommunism - as Ludi, Shanny and SPG all said - worked fine for thousands of years among many hunter/gatherer groups. Marxism is inherently flawed, but communism is ideal for small groups.


Weren't small and large tribes usually dominated by an alpha male, or chieftain, or medicine man -- what amounted to a mini-dictator who ostensibly held the strength and wisdom to lead the pack?
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 10:35:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Polemic', 'W')eren't small and large tribes usually dominated by an alpha male, or chieftain, or medicine man -- what amounted to a mini-dictator who ostensibly held the strength and wisdom to lead the pack?


No, that was European misunderstanding based on European concepts of leadership. There were many "chiefs", i.e. specialists for certain things. For example, Crazy Horse was a Lakota war chief. When it came to fighting, the Lakota listened to him. When it came to other things, they did not.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:07:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Polemic', 'W')eren't small and large tribes usually dominated by an alpha male, or chieftain, or medicine man -- what amounted to a mini-dictator who ostensibly held the strength and wisdom to lead the pack?
It was actually a source of much consternation to the whites that there wasn't usually such a leader. The whites were always showing up and demanding to talk to the "chief" to make treaties. Since the relations were usually less than genial, the people would make a war chief go talk to the white guy. The war chiefs were generally male, but there were lots of chiefs. In many cases the chiefs for civil affairs were women. The word "chief" basically translates as "respected elder who is charasmatic and has good ideas." There are MANY instances were a chief tried to lead in a direction the tribe didn't want to go. The coup amounted to people just stopped listening to that chief and turned to someone else for leadership.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby americandream » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 19:43:09

There is an apparent hankering for reversion to the old ways of past systemic privilege by club and hammer it seems....

I suppose the alpha presuming males in here assume in the reversion to some former goldern era, the enjoyment of early modes of living...one that comes to mind is The Privilege....by which the chief of a celtic tribe had right of first call to a virgin on her wedding night....

Be very aware of what you wish upon your futures. As for you poxy, robing yourself in the nostalgic and time mytholgised robes of indigenous tribalism does not detract from the fact that in a tribal society dominated by the strongest (men), you as a female would be a mere commodity.

Irrationalism tends to follow the most direct route to opportunistic domination...and that invariably involves the use of power by the measure of strength then systemically validated...in the last resort, muscle as we deconstruct society to the most direct of modes.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby greenworm » Mon 01 Jan 2007, 23:14:44

Karl Marx was paid off to write that crap, c'mon, wake up.
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Re: Marxism (split from Environment forum)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 02 Jan 2007, 00:55:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'o')ne that comes to mind is The Privilege....by which the chief of a celtic tribe had right of first call to a virgin on her wedding night....
Ohh come on. You got that from Braveheart and it was English nobles not Celtic "chiefs".
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