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Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Which of these groups would you willing accept in your neighborhood?

A group that believes in (and practices) chattel slavery.
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A local branch of the Nazi party. Yes, they wear real jackboots.
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A branch of Pol Pot believers. They want to kill the intellectuals - you included.
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A group that forces their 10 year old daughters into polygamous relationships with old men.
3
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A group that believes in human sacrifice - of a few of their own children.
2
No votes
A group of religious fanatics planning mass suicide - including their own children.
14
No votes
 
Total votes : 36

Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Jack » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 20:32:37

There are lots of people who discuss multiculturalism. My premise is that people don't really care for it - and will, in fact, reject it. Others have a different view.

My contention is that culture is some construct of deeply held beliefs, values, attitudes, and habits. Thus, multiculturalism is not having breakfast tacos in the morning, followed by sushi for lunch, and ending with pizza at dinner. Due to that contention, my poll will offer you, the reader, a choice of several groups that many may be opposed to. I ask that you seriously ask yourself if you could embrace their culture. My expectation is that most cannot.

So, with that in mind - please vote. And add your thoughts, if you care to.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 20:59:59

Nazi's are good for a laugh now and then, so they get my vote.

Any time a group of religious people want to kill themselves, is a good day in my book.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Jack » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 21:22:15

As I reflect on my poll, I believe I neglected an important option. I didn't list anything for "No, I wouldn't care for any of the above groups."

If you don't care for any of the listed groups, please post your rejection of multiculturalism. 8)
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 21:38:50

This site is dead right now, I could remember a time when I use to visit before I became a member that you couldn't post anything without having 5 replies in like 2 minutes. I think alot of people like myself, realize that peak oil is irrelevant and that the world will long distroy it self before actual hydro-carbon depletion becomes a serious threat. After a mass die off we won't really have to worry about peak oil... now will we.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Jack » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 21:47:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'A')fter a mass die off we won't really have to worry about peak oil... now will we.


Completely true. If the global population were pruned to about a billion or so, the remainder could live quite nicely.

The key is to be part of the surviving one billion. 8)
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 21:51:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', '
')The key is to be part of the surviving one billion. 8)


That won't be a problem for me, I live in a remote area. I just have to keep from gettting drafted / locked up as an enemy of Bush's state.

I actually only live about 30 minutes away from pops, so I may have to worry about him when he comes a scavaging .
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby TheTurtle » Fri 22 Dec 2006, 22:32:16

Jack, your poll is in the same vein as the question, "Did you stop beating your wife?" If you answer "yes", you're a former wife beater and if you answer "no" you're currently a wife beater. It's a no win question. Just because you posted a bunch of people who I wouldn't want as neighbors doesn't mean I reject multiculturalism. It just means I reject the scum you have listed in your poll.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Jack » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 00:24:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'J')ust because you posted a bunch of people who I wouldn't want as neighbors doesn't mean I reject multiculturalism. It just means I reject the scum you have listed in your poll.


Perhaps. Let's try rephrasing this a bit.

Are you saying that you like different cultures, so long as the different cultures remain within certain bounds that you've defined and don't violate any of your strongly held beliefs and values?

Because, Turtle, the problem is not with cultures we're comfortable with - rather, the true test is whether we would be willing to embrace those that offend us. Those (very few) who are tolerant of others they regard as scum can claim they've accepted multiculturalism. I think others are treading on fragile philosophical egg shells.

By the way - I question whether anyone who regards other cultures as scum can truly claim to have "embraced" multiculturalism.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 00:32:39

Fine, by your definition, I do not embrace multiculturalism.

That being said, there are many cultures with languages and customs different than the one in which I was raised that I do not consider scum. There are, however people with my own culture that I DO consider scum.

Wait a minute, now that I think of it, I don't really respect the culture in which I was raised. I guess that means that not only am I not a multiculturalist, I'm not even a monoculturalist.

Go figure. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Jack. :P
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 00:36:08

And with that burst of enlightement, I looked at your list again and decided that I wouldn't mind the last group moving into my neighborhood, since they would soon take care of the problem themselves and thus quickly leave me and my tribe in blissful solitude. :lol:
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Jack » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 00:40:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'F')ine, by your definition, I do not embrace multiculturalism.

That being said, there are many cultures with languages and customs different than the one in which I was raised that I do not consider scum. There are, however people with my own culture that I DO consider scum.


Of course. Just like everyone else. And that's precisely the point.

So, my good Turtle, the goal of my poll is to stimulate thought and introspection. A dangerous game, no doubt. 8)
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 01:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'B')y the way - I question whether anyone who regards other cultures as scum can truly claim to have "embraced" multiculturalism.


We should probably refrain from calling other cultures scum. They are "unusual". Not better or worse, just "distinctive".

But that's the whole point. People are different, cultures are different. Those who are similar flock together, those who are different, don't and shouldn't.

Teoretical multiculturalism is an aberration: you don't put a lion and a deer in the same cage, unless you are sick, sadistic monster.

Practical multiculturalism was a form of divide and conquer strategy employed mostly by north american and european governments at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century as a way of obtaining cheap financial and political short-term gains. It quickly disappeared at the onset of the decline of cheap energy and other major resources around 2035 A.D.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby PolestaR » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 01:53:39

In regards to Jack's favorite option - "A group that forces their 10 year old daughters into polygamous relationships with old men."

Muhommed was fucking a 8-9year old as laid out in the Qur'an , so this practice was common for many a year before the negative stigma associated with it was created. In nature once a mammal has their period they are ready for sex. Just because society says it's wrong doesn't mean it is, and I think a collapse will lead us back down that path.

Personally however I don't think forcing anyone to do anything is healthy.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby nwildmand » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 02:14:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'A')fter a mass die off we won't really have to worry about peak oil... now will we.


Completely true. If the global population were pruned to about a billion or so, the remainder could live quite nicely.

The key is to be part of the surviving one billion. 8)


i really wouldnt mind some good old fashioned fascism if it got me to that point. is that what you want to hear jack?

multiculturalism is a failed experiment. it actually never existed to any great degree and i suspect it may become an "endangered species" with the coming energy crisis.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby nwildmand » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 02:32:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')I think you have to get it down to the area of respecting the rights of individuals within a healthy compromise we call society. Within that compromise there is room for alot of diversity, there is room also for many emotions, even hate. But hate that is acted out through discrimination or other types of crimes cannot be encouraged.


you dont actually believe that this can ever be accomplished do you?
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby dissimulo » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 03:10:50

It should have been a multiple choice poll. It only allows me to pick one of the options.
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Re: Multiculturalism Poll: Let's try a little experiment

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 03:17:31

The greatest shortcoming of the human species, after the one involving the inability to understand the exponential function, so eloquently explained by Dr. Albert Bartlett, is the inability to understand the nature of the human being, its characteristics, aspirations and motivations, and the desire to apply this flawed interpretation every century or so, to the entire society.

Fascism and communism are two of the best documented examples of the 20th century. Multiculturalism and globalization are successfully competing for the gold medal in the 21st.
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