by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 10:41:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
') And what would be a consequence of that (means infertiles overthrowing fertiles)?
There would soon be no more infertiles.
Do you mean, law would be evaded?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'W')ould you like to live in that hypothetical society?
I live in a society with no enforced sterlization at the moment.
by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 11:19:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')What would it mean to *you*, once your idea [of massive sterilisations] got overthrown by "infertiles" or religious people (most of US society) or whoever else, and you lost your office?
I think you would not deserve a firing squad, albeit you would probably be hanged in the same fashion as few senior officials of Third Reich were.
Then the end of story...
What on earth are you going on about my idea of massive sterilsations? I never put forth this idea so it's not my idea thank you very much. This conversation doesn't make sense and is just a waste of my time.
Than I am sorry if I offended you.
Your first post in this thread quoted below suggest otherwise:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '
')First female untouched. Everyone after that sterilized.
...and sold to brothel at 16.
by AgentR » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 11:27:23
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') don't see any work frictions since people can still work and contribute to the economy whether they are infertile or not. In the social sphere the infertiles both male and female would be rioting especially since they would be the majority and overthrow the rules.
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by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 11:34:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')It was looking for me that you are supporting Daculling's idea.
I apologise, if I misunderstood.
I didn't mean to make it sound like a was supporting Daculling's idea I was only questioning the idea that under such a scenario infertile girls would need to pimped out is all. Although Dacullings idea sounds like a good for limiting population the idea would be unworkable because of the enforcement issues.
Plus how come I don't deserve a firing squad?
Am I only worth a piece of rope?
Well, better forget it. Sometimes people misunderstand each other (especially, when they "talk" over long distance on the forum).
I really thought, that you support "mass sterilization policy", but I was obviously wrong
by Ayame » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 11:46:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') don't see any work frictions since people can still work and contribute to the economy whether they are infertile or not. In the social sphere the infertiles both male and female would be rioting especially since they would be the majority and overthrow the rules.
wiki - The Handmaid's Tale
Well yes if religious fundies took over society then all bets would be off.
by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 11:48:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') don't see any work frictions since people can still work and contribute to the economy whether they are infertile or not. In the social sphere the infertiles both male and female would be rioting especially since they would be the majority and overthrow the rules.
wiki - The Handmaid's Tale
I do
not support
politically correct equality, but nevertheless those ideas are too much for me.
I am voting for more rights for women than there!
by NEOPO » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 13:54:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') don't see any work frictions since people can still work and contribute to the economy whether they are infertile or not. In the social sphere the infertiles both male and female would be rioting especially since they would be the majority and overthrow the rules.
wiki - The Handmaid's Tale Well yes if religious fundies took over society then all bets would be off.
I guess all bets are off then!
All one has to do is define the terminology correctly.
Religion = organized belief system
Fundamentalist = strict adherance to a set of principles.
People are sent to the "colonies" every minute of every day for not adhering to the strict set of principles of the State.
We commonly refer to these "colonies" as prisons yet they are also called camps and mental institutions etc etc.....
EU - It is not misunderstanding - it is being overly assumptious.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')olutions by default are ultimate and final, they will always overrule attempted solutions by design after sufficiently long time. They are also best of all solutions.
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 14:36:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')EU - It is not misunderstanding - it is being overly assumptious.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')olutions by default are ultimate and final, they will always overrule attempted solutions by design after sufficiently long time. They are also best of all solutions.
So you recommend that we as a species allow the pitri dish to fill to the brim and not at least try to control our population prior to this event?
Solutions by default and all
See how I asked the question before laying into you?
We
may try few
designed solutions as long as there is any hope, that those would work.
For example it is about OK for me to bribe some peoples to sterilize themself
on voluntary basis. Few of those poor souls would perhaps like to have their tubes cut in exchange for $1000 (or $10) reward (it would be good to buy drugs for next day or few days...).
However you have to realise, that
only poor or drug addicted with few other exceptions would join in and still in rather limited numbers.
On the other hand I would consider those, who are attempting to enforce similar policy against
general humanity to be common criminals who are clearly deserving electric chair (such a pity, we do not have it in the UK, we should work hard to change that...), and are not eligigible for mercy by lethal injection.
As we can observe, the Petri dish in great majority of 1st world countries and in some 3rd world countries may not overfill after all, therefore I do not consider some "green" and barbarian solutions as necessery.
In any case natural die-off would be better than that.
Here you have a concept of
"solution by default".
by smallpoxgirl » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 14:47:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'H')owever you have to realise, that only poor or drug addicted with few other exceptions would join in and still in rather limited numbers.
Welll...if the problem is that too few people take the offer, maybe the reward should be sweeter. How about "Get a vasectomy, get out of the draft."?
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by EnergyUnlimited » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 14:52:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'H')owever you have to realise, that only poor or drug addicted with few other exceptions would join in and still in rather limited numbers.
Welll...if the problem is that too few people take the offer, maybe the reward should be sweeter. How about "Get a vasectomy, get out of the draft."?
I will support
any birth/population control policy, as long as done on
voluntary basis. This deal would be about OK.
Lawyers would have to polish it for selling purpose...
by smallpoxgirl » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 16:02:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'T')here is this girl, a fellow teacher with my girlfriend, She is married.
Husband called her at work to tell her he wants out of the marriage. So she has a quick 2 week fling with some dude and gets pregnant by the sperm donor.
The reason husband left her: Hes gay.
Would make for a good soap opera if the husband and the sperm donor were also having an affair.
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by AgentR » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 16:12:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Handmaid%27s_Tale]wiki - The Handmaid's Tale[/url]
Well yes if religious fundies took over society then all bets would be off.
My bet is that such a policy would preceed the religious wrapper, not be created by it.
So you'd get the sterilization.
Then you'd get the upper class in a spot where they marry within their social strata, but then pay a surrogate to bear their desired number of children. Wealthy people will always be able to find a way to store/share related sperm if the biological connection is important to them. Husband and wife could even reach back to grandparent or father-in-law sources.
Then with time you could very well end up with a caste of surrogates, followed by a religious wrapper to make them content and provide a framework and vocabulary for the wealthy to speak openly about the activity.
Remember, in the novel also, the infertility problem comes first.
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