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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 21:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'l')ook
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You calculated the FINAL speed. That is the speed whatever is travelling after it has been accelerating for 9.3 seconds (ie just before it hits the ground). Can you not understand simple maths ?
Is it so mind blowing ?


Its obvious that you can not even comprehend simple sentences. Its sad, but copy and paste form wikipedia does not change that. Please read again what I wrote and do not waste everyone's time.

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 21:22:42

so you agree with me the building if it simply fell with gravity would take 9 seconds ? (because that is what you calculated)

And the actual time was only about 10 ?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 21:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'O')n one of those pictures posted above, look over the fireman's shoulder. You will see a main steel column cut on a 45 degree angle. This is exactly how you would use thermite charges to cut it at the base. It then slides on the cut, and the building "walks" , as they say in demolition terms.


Been over this before.

It was probably cut by a welders torch. This photo could have been taken several days into the clean-up process.

If thermite was use then why would they bother cutting it at ground level anyway? The building was collapsed from the top.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 21:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 's')o you agree with me the building if it simply fell with gravity would take 9 seconds ? (because that is what you calculated)


So you can read. I'm impressed.

ok I agree frefall would be around 9.23 sec

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')nd the actual time was only about 10 ?


A video taken of the collapse shows at 11 seconds that the collapse of the South Tower is still under way. The cameraman began running at that point, but the sound of the building collapsing continues for many more seconds. (Yeah speed of sound correction would be needed, but I don't have time at the moment to do it). The cameraman bravely films what’s happening for a few seconds, before realising this may be a good time to run. We then lose sight of the building until roughly the 11 to almost 12 second point, where a considerable number of storeys of the building are clearly still standing. 25? It could be more as falling debris obscures the upper levels, but what’s clear is that the collapse didn’t end until some time after the 12 second point, putting the overall collapse time from this video as “more than 12.5 seconds”.

Freefall video evidence

Keep in mind that significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse.

If you look at the seismic graphs I posted you will see that the station recorded activities for both towers longer than 10s, which confirms the observation of the above video.

But I think we have now the next major question to answer: How long did it really take for each building to come down? 10s, 12.5s, 13.8s more then that?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby AlCzervik » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:01:45

You don't even need to get into this mathfest when you look at Sibel Edmonds, General Ahmad $100K wire transfer, Mineta testimony, war games, Able Danger, Indira Singh, etc., etc.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby AlCzervik » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:07:54

Query for the demolition haters. Go to the ten minute mark and listen to William Rodriguez. Is he on crack or what?
http://tinyurl.com/y92lz5
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:08:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'O')n one of those pictures posted above, look over the fireman's shoulder. You will see a main steel column cut on a 45 degree angle. This is exactly how you would use thermite charges to cut it at the base. It then slides on the cut, and the building "walks" , as they say in demolition terms.


Been over this before.

It was probably cut by a welders torch. This photo could have been taken several days into the clean-up process.

If thermite was use then why would they bother cutting it at ground level anyway? The building was collapsed from the top.



lmao, a welders torch ? So let me get this straight, a welder is going to cut this huge column with a torch ? For what reason ? Thats like saying that used a shovel when they starting loading the trucks for debris removel . And why would they cut it on a 45 degree angle ? Man , you people are brain dead.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:20:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'Q')uery for the demolition haters. Go to the ten minute mark and listen to William Rodriguez. Is he on crack or what?
http://tinyurl.com/y92lz5


what he is saying is exactly what the evidence shows. Bombs going off in the basement. Huge bombs. Those were the ones that cut the steel columns that you can see from the picture. Those were thermite charges placed on the columns.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:24:09

Real curious:

The civil war was fought to free the slaves?
WWI was because of arch duke ferdinands assassination?
WWII was not funded in part by the USA, Britian or Russia?
WWII was started because a building burned?
The US would have attacked Iraq and Afghanistan without a 911 incident?

Oh I could just go on and on but lets stop here for now 8)
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'w')hat he is saying is exactly what the evidence shows. Bombs going off in the basement. Huge bombs. Those were the ones that cut the steel columns that you can see from the picture. Those were thermite charges placed on the columns.


I don't want to intrude too much, but didn't the buildings collapse from the top (or the point of impact - they were clever to put the demolition explosives starting from where the ace pilots crashed the planes)? What use would huge bombs and thermite in the basement be?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:42:36

You really need to make up your minds ... did the building collapse from the top or bottom?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'O')n one of those pictures posted above, look over the fireman's shoulder. You will see a main steel column cut on a 45 degree angle. This is exactly how you would use thermite charges to cut it at the base. It then slides on the cut, and the building "walks" , as they say in demolition terms.


Been over this before.

It was probably cut by a welders torch. This photo could have been taken several days into the clean-up process.

If thermite was use then why would they bother cutting it at ground level anyway? The building was collapsed from the top.



lmao, a welders torch ? So let me get this straight, a welder is going to cut this huge column with a torch ? For what reason ? Thats like saying that used a shovel when they starting loading the trucks for debris removel . And why would they cut it on a 45 degree angle ? Man , you people are brain dead.


That is exactly what I am suggesting.

How else do you think they cut up metal beams that are too large to be moved any other way?

Cutting at an angle controls the direction it falls ... important in a crowded workplace.

You still haven't explained why they would use thermite at ground level to simulate a collapse from the top floor.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 23:11:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'w')hat he is saying is exactly what the evidence shows. Bombs going off in the basement. Huge bombs. Those were the ones that cut the steel columns that you can see from the picture. Those were thermite charges placed on the columns.


I don't want to intrude too much, but didn't the buildings collapse from the top (or the point of impact - they were clever to put the demolition explosives starting from where the ace pilots crashed the planes)? What use would huge bombs and thermite in the basement be?

nothing new but notice where the sections are and where the planes hit.
Where the first plane hit and where the second one hit.
They were aiming for the section supports to make it more convincing.
I would say ace remote control pilots or even homing beacons as opposed to ace pilots 8)

Alittle thermite here alittle thermite there - not conventional demolitions - unorthodox yet timed demolition.

This is too easy ladies and gentlemen.
There exists footage of physics professors and other scientists breaking this down into the smallest detail.
There exists footage of every type of known expert breaking this stuff down.
Really its quite like Peak oil.
Believe ok - not - go fuck off 8)
The official version says Peak Oil is bullshit.
The official version says 911 truth is 911 lies.

Here is an older video that was alittle cheesy yet still chocked full of data.
Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime 1.0
If only a small percent of this data is true it gives us a means and a motive.

The coverage on the unofficial version of what happened on 911 is vast.
Maybe 500 hours of related video and expert testimony.

Now look around the room and wonder why in the hell some assholes from europe think that they are smarter then all of these experts, officials, facts, footage etc etc et cetera!!???

Yeah now calculate for us exactly how much oil is left in ghawar because enquiring minds want to know!!!

Imagine being so smart that you constantly outsmart yourself....
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 00:05:22

lighthouse, you are using all your fancy equations, which is great normally, but you have no idea where the explosives were placed, and that can change the speed of the collapse.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 01:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'l')ighthouse, you are using all your fancy equations, which is great normally, but you have no idea where the explosives were placed, and that can change the speed of the collapse.


Yeah right, fancy equations :roll: . Listen my friend, that's basic high-school physics. I try to stick to basic science to keep it simple and understandable.

You on the other hand have not answered my questions at all.... obviously because you can't...
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 01:37:14

common sense is my degree, and that is what you are lacking. You are over analysing the entire thing. Leave physics out of it for a minute, and maybe you can understand what actually happened. Blowing up the load bearing points on several different levels will change the entire physics of the collapse.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 01:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.').. Yeah now calculate for us exactly how much oil is left in ghawar because enquiring minds want to know!!!....


Been there, done that. A simple answer for you: Not enough.

A more complicated answer: Not enough and when everyone realise that there is not enough, 9/11 will become an irrelevant event ....
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 01:52:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'c')ommon sense is my degree, and that is what you are lacking. You are over analysing the entire thing. Leave physics out of it for a minute, and maybe you can understand what actually happened. Blowing up the load bearing points on several different levels will change the entire physics of the collapse.


In other words science does not have the answers, common sense does?

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 02:12:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'Q')uery for the demolition haters. Go to the ten minute mark and listen to William Rodriguez. Is he on crack or what?
http://tinyurl.com/y92lz5


No absolutely not, he is very credible, but he is interpreting his experience.

If you filter the facts out of his speak he says:

First explosion felt from the bottom was so strong that the ceiling came down and the walls cracked.

Second explosion felt like coming from top.


Anything else is his interpretation of his experience.

He could not see if the first or second explosion was caused by the plane.

Because it felt coming from the bottom does not mean it was actually happening in the bottom. There are simple explanations for his experience. Do you want me to go there? I did not think so ...

Btw, the simplest logic would be: If the base was blown off with thermite resulting in the 45 deg cut seen in the photo above and consequently the following "walk" of the building - remember Rodriguez heard thermite explosion in the basement - the plane would have missed the building, because as William Rodriguez said the explosion in the basement was before the plane even hit the building. The building would have started to collapse before the plane could even hit it. How much time passed by between the crash of the plane and the building coming down?

Again you have to filter facts from emotion to come to the truth.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 05:48:41

You need to start getting your story straight dukey.

First of all you tell us that the building was rigged with carefully timed squibs to simulate a collapse.

Then, almost in the same breath you tell us that thermite was used to cut of the pillars at the base of the building.

Which version of the "truth" do you want us to believe.
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