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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 07:24:35

Myth One: 911 was for the oil

What oil? Not much oil in Afghanistan.

Myth Two: Bush wanted to pipe oil or gas from the Caspian Basin across Afghanistan to the Indian ocean.

Oil is currently being piped from the Caspian Basin into Pro-West Turkey. There is no real need to pipe oil across Afghanistan. Given the volatility of the region who the hell would want to?

Myth Three: 911 was an excuse for invading Iraq.

No it wasn't. As part of the cease fire agreement in the first gulf war, Iraq had to abandon development of Weapons of mass destruction and open itself up to weapons inspectors. When Saddam threw out the weapons inspectors the US used the threat of WMDs being developed by Iraq as a pretext for invasion.

Myth Four: Buildings don't pancake or fall at near freefall speeds.

In spite of all the video evidence to the contrary some people actually believe this!!! Apparently some people put more faith in computer simulations then they do in actual “real world” situations. Anybody who knows anything about computer programming will tell you that it is impossible to include every single variable that is likely to effect the outcome of something as complex as the events that occurred on 911.

Myth Five: WTC7 was not damaged enough to collapse.

Contrary to popular belief WTC7 was well and truly clobbered when the twin towers collapsed. Severe structural damage plus out of control fires bought down WTC7. A fracture line was clearly visible before the building collapsed.

Myth Six: Demolition charges bought down the twin towers.

Demolition charges make a loud audible bang and produce an explosive discharge of debris that wasn't evident in any video.

Myth Seven: The towers were designed to survive an impact from a jet liner.

Yes ... but they didn't take into account the 10,000 gallons of jet fuel carried by these aircraft. Leslie Roberston, the chief engineer of the twin tower project, admitted as much. It was the plane crash in conjunction with the resulting fire that bought down the twin towers.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 08:20:54

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth One: 911 was for the oil

What oil? Not much oil in Afghanistan.


Do you think the american people would have just let the US army go straight into iraq ? When the government was pointing the fingers at the taliban ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Two: Bush wanted to pipe oil or gas from the Caspian Basin across Afghanistan to the Indian ocean.

Oil is currently being piped from the Caspian Basin into Pro-West Turkey. There is no real need to pipe oil across Afghanistan. Given the volatility of the region who the hell would want to?


They had been trying to build a pipeline for years. The plans strangely went on the fast track again after the invasion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Three: 911 was an excuse for invading Iraq.

No it wasn't. As part of the cease fire agreement in the first gulf war, Iraq had to abandon development of Weapons of mass destruction and open itself up to weapons inspectors. When Saddam threw out the weapons inspectors the US used the threat of WMDs being developed by Iraq as a pretext for invasion.


You can let fox news persuade you of whatever you want. But the truth is the weapons inspectors found nothing and they had been there for years. There was no immediate reason to go in. The bush administration knew all the imformation was fabricated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Four: Buildings don't pancake or fall at near freefall speeds.

In spite of all the video evidence to the contrary some people actually believe this!!! Apparently some people put more faith in computer simulations then they do in actual “real world” situations. Anybody who knows anything about computer programming will tell you that it is impossible to include every single variable that is likely to effect the outcome of something as complex as the events that occurred on 911.


Steel framed buildings WONT. Even if you haven't a clue about physics. Do you think its plausable for a building to collapse in the path of most reistance (onto itself) at free fall speeds ? This is what happened with WT7. In the case of the twin towers, they were pulverised to dust even before they hit the ground. How do you explain the mechanism for that without explosives ? How do you explain the pyroclastic flow without explosives ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Five: WTC7 was not damaged enough to collapse.

Contrary to popular belief WTC7 was well and truly clobbered when the twin towers collapsed. Severe structural damage plus out of control fires bought down WTC7. A fracture line was clearly visible before the building collapsed.


says who ? You can see the video evidence for yourself. The building had small isolated pockets of fire on a few floors. No raging infernos.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Six: Demolition charges bought down the twin towers.

Demolition charges make a loud audible bang and produce an explosive discharge of debris that wasn't evident in any video.


There is video evidence for this, just open your eyes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth Seven: The towers were designed to survive an impact from a jet liner.

Yes ... but they didn't take into account the 10,000 gallons of jet fuel carried by these aircraft. Leslie Roberston, the chief engineer of the twin tower project, admitted as much. It was the plane crash in conjunction with the resulting fire that bought down the twin towers.


The twin towers were not raging infernos. Have you not seen the pictures of the woman standing where the plane had crashed on one of the towers. If it was a raging inferno like the government would have us believe she would have evaporated ! In fact look at the pic for yourself. See any ranging inferno ? lol
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 10:41:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'D')o you think the american people would have just let the US army go straight into iraq ? When the government was pointing the fingers at the taliban ?
Then why point the fingers at the Taliban in the first place? They could have just blamed Saddam.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')hey had been trying to build a pipeline for years. The plans strangely went on the fast track again after the invasion.

Why is that strange? ... projects get fast tracked all the time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'Y')ou can let fox news persuade you of whatever you want. But the truth is the weapons inspectors found nothing and they had been there for years. There was no immediate reason to go in. The bush administration knew all the imformation was fabricated.

I don't get fox news.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')teel framed buildings WONT. Even if you haven't a clue about physics. Do you think its plausable for a building to collapse in the path of most reistance (onto itself) at free fall speeds ? This is what happened with WT7. In the case of the twin towers, they were pulverised to dust even before they hit the ground. How do you explain the mechanism for that without explosives ? How do you explain the pyroclastic flow without explosives ?
Path of least resistance is a good theory ... but so is conservation of momentum.

With that amount of mass and energy applied suddenly, concrete and other materials behave more like liquid than solid. Liquids, as you know, convert energy to waves giving you the classic pyroclastic flow motion.

And of course when steel and concrete take on the consistancy of a liquid then you will get what seems to be freefall since it has virtually no structural strength.

High school physics.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')he twin towers were not raging infernos. Have you not seen the pictures of the woman standing where the plane had crashed on one of the towers. If it was a raging inferno like the government would have us believe she would have evaporated ! In fact look at the pic for yourself. See any ranging inferno ? lol

Then where did all that smoke come from?

You know what they say "Where there is smoke there is fire".

I thought that that would be a bit of a catchcry for you conspiracy theorist types.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')here is video evidence for this, just open your eyes.

I have seen plenty of videos of buildings being demolished and lots of videos of the WTC collapsing. I haven't see any evidence of explosives being used in the WTC.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 's')ays who ? You can see the video evidence for yourself. The building had small isolated pockets of fire on a few floors. No raging infernos.

I actually said structural damage and out of control fires. You can see a sag in the top of the building. Although it is a bit hard to tell with all that smoke from the non-existant fires.
http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7_Collapse_P.jpg
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 11:00:22

the picture you posted
is text book controlled demolition

the central support collumns are blown out first so that the building collapses inwards. If you were to show an example of text book controlled demolition there isn't any better example than that of building 7. Perfect symmetrically controlled demolition. All points of the building fail similtaniously at the same time, regardless of where any damage might have occured.

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doesn't look very damaged does it ? :p Where as the surrounding buildings took an absolute pulversing. Fires, huge steel gurders landing all over them, yet strangely none of them fell into a small pile in a symmetrically controlled demolition fashion. Then theres the thermate evidence which has been scientifically proven.

Maybe this is your out of control inferno ?
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If this took down a building. It would have to be the worst designed building in history.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 11:03:25

just one more pic ..

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 11:29:00

kokoda - have you watched the loose change movie?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 13:09:09

dukey, you da man. You are 100 % correct on all accounts. The crimpimg on the middle of the roof of wtc 7 is textbook demolition proof. Thats exactly how they do when they plan it when they want it to come straight down. They take out the center supporting members and a few other key load bearing points simutaneousely , which brings a structure straight down.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 13:48:42

What did the collapse of #7 accomplish for the conspirators that hadn’t already been accomplished earlier in the day? It appears to have added nothing except superfluous complexity and additional risk. That’s the sort of senseless panache found only in fictitious James Bond villains.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 15:38:12

Nope NEOPO ... haven't caught it yet ... but it sounds like it could be a good laugh. I know it is one of the "famous" or "imfamous" 911 movies ... depending on your view.

At last someone else apart from me has dared to ask why they would even bother knocking down wtc7. Absolutely pointless overkill ... and yes ... I know it was full of government agencies.

Don't expect an answer Laughs_Last.

No damage dukey? ... All you are showing is the side of the building facing away from the twin towers. What about this 18 story high gash in the SW corner? I have never been able to find a photograph of the side of the building that actually faced the twin towers but this missing corner suggests that the damage must have been severe.

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 15:58:37

I have seen that picture before.
But looking at that picture,
where is the raging inferno ?

And EVEN if that damage brought down the building. Why on earth would it fall perfectly symmetrically. Why would the central support collums give way first ?
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Look at this building. Absolutely covered in debris, no doubt has sustained amazingly heavy damage. And what ? its still standing ?
http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001 ... t_Hell.jpg

http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001/wtc_fires.jpg

LOOK at the damage to this building rofl ...
yet it STILL stands
http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001 ... evel_2.jpg

http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001 ... al_Ctr.jpg

I rest my case.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:07:43

Here is another pic of the damage on the south side of the building ... not as pretty as the front Huh.

Hard to see too much detail from this angle because of all that smoke from that non-existant blaze.

http://www.debunking911.com/wtcc.jpg
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:15:16

Love those pictures Dukey ... completely disproves the myth that the towers collapsed in their own foot print.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:17:11

If 911 conspiracy/truth were taught as a college course Loose Change would be mandatory viewing.

This discussion occurs all the time all over the internet yet how many people really do their homework prior to spouting their OPINION on the matter???
Right - most people do not.

The white noise on the subject was amazing at the beginning and I found myself looking at all those theories as silly nonsense.
I later realized that all that noise was intentional and that most of it was nonsense.

Watch loose change, the history of war, 911 press for truth, money masters and america freedom to fascism.

Do you know about operation paperclip? mkultra? operation northwoods etc etc?

Dont know??? Have not watched?? have not searched? Have not done your homework??? YET you think your opinion will win some sort of debate...........

Larry Silverstein Admits to Demolishing World Trade Center 7 on 9/11
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:24:31

i never said the twin towers collapsed into their own foot prints. I said building 7 did. The twin towers 'collapsed' from the top down. Building 7 collapsed from the bottom.

If this is not a convienent little pile, i dont know what is.

Building 7
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As for your pic ? What damage ? It shows nothing but smoke. In any case, large amounts of smoke show a cool burning fire. Incomplete combustion, not hot enough to weaken steel and bring down buildings.

And how do you explain the molten pools of steel found at the bases of all 3 world trade centre buildings ?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:43:25

Yes ... thats right ... you can't see the holes on account of all the smoke that is pouring out of them. Ever occur to you that all of that smoke is in itself proof of a lot of damage? Have a look at the photos you posted of the front of the building.

See ... not much smoke ... because most of the windows are still intact. Now have a look at the back of the building.

Thats right ... lots of smoke on account of a great hunk of the building being missing.

Deisel burns with a black acrid smoke ... and this building contained quite a bit of the stuff to drive the emergency generators.

Lots of things melt at lower temperatures ... aluminium for example.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:56:03

NEOPO
i've watched them all :p
Lots of good videos out there.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 16:57:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')f 911 conspiracy/truth were taught as a college course Loose Change would be mandatory viewing.

This discussion occurs all the time all over the internet yet how many people really do their homework prior to spouting their OPINION on the matter???
Right - most people do not.

The white noise on the subject was amazing at the beginning and I found myself looking at all those theories as silly nonsense.
I later realized that all that noise was intentional and that most of it was nonsense.

Watch loose change, the history of war, 911 press for truth, money masters and america freedom to fascism.

Do you know about operation paperclip? mkultra? operation northwoods etc etc?

Dont know??? Have not watched?? have not searched? Have not done your homework??? YET you think your opinion will win some sort of debate...........

Larry Silverstein Admits to Demolishing World Trade Center 7 on 9/11


Lots of stuff on 911 out there ... I look at what I can ... It does get repetitive though. I will catch up with it one day.

At least I have made an attempt at refuting other people's arguments.

So far no-one has been able to tell me why knocking down wtc7 was considered so important, why did we blame the Taliban instead of Iraq and why was 911 not used as an excuse for invading Iraq?

It seems that everyone has built up this elaborate conspiracy theory without actually working out what the whole point of it was.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 17:09:22

No one can know exactly why WTC 7 was knocked down
people are screaming for an independant investigation but it hasn't happened. If i was to speculate, the most obvious reason would be, WTC 7 was a crime scene and they destroyed the evidence.

Much like 99% of the rest of the evidence. Almost immediately they started shipping it off to china to be melted down. It is a crime to remove evidence from a crime scene.

As for afghanistan. The pipeline ! And in any case, the US hardly sent any troops into afghanistan. It was a totally botched opperation.

Watch this ..
its worth it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... port&hl=en
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 17:33:57

The US needed to build military bases in Iraq for dominance in that region. Oil is the lifeblood of the world. The US can now control who gets oil, including themselves.
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