Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 00:43:25

Zardoz,

Any excuse to leave that disaster would suit me just fine.
Got Dharma?

Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
User avatar
eastbay
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7186
Joined: Sat 18 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: One Mile From the Columbia River

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 03:21:01

And now this:

Pentagon Considers Moving Troops From al-Anbar Province to Baghdad

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')BC News has learned that Pentagon officials are considering a major strategic shift in Iraq, to move U.S. forces out of the dangerous Sunni-dominated al-Anbar province and join the fight to secure Baghdad.

...The region is a Sunni stronghold and the main base of operations for al Qaeda in Iraq and has been a place of increasing frustration to U.S. commanders.

In a recent intelligence assessment, top Marine in al-Anbar, Col. Peter Devlin, concluded that without a massive infusement of more troops, the battle in al-Anbar is unwinnable.

The battle in the whole damned country is unwinnable...
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 06:48:27

Next scene is people clamering to get on the last choppers to leave the Green Zone, switch to shots of the choppers being pushed off the side of the aircraft carrier in the gulf to make room on the flight deck for more choppers....

Deja vu anyone?
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Eli » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 12:48:55

Well a new plan is taking shape now.

The US is going to try and extricate themselves from this morass by reaching out to the Iranians and the Syrians so the US can get the hell out of Iraq.

Don't kid yourself this is an abject defeat for the US and especially for the Necon jackasses that help drag us into this war. It is exceedingly ironic that the necon ideal of changing the ME and confronting Iran in an effort to benefit Israel has completely blown up in their faces.

Now the US is not only powerless in it's ability to stop Iranian nuclear ambitions we desperately need their help to get us out of Iraq. Instead of protecting Israel and securing the region, the debacle that is Iraq will put Israel squarely in the sites of Iran.
User avatar
Eli
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a van down by the river

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 15:23:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '.')...the debacle that is Iraq will put Israel squarely in the sites of Iran.


Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Er, you mean "sights".
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Bas » Wed 29 Nov 2006, 15:49:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'T')hey're going to trash the oil wells so no-one can utilize it for 10 years if they're forced to pull out. You think Saddam was bad? Boys you aint seen nothing yet.

Best part is those barrels aint going anywhere. Maybe the whole Iraq thing was a clever resource conservation plan.


That's an interesting view...do you think W really has green party sympathies?
Bas
 

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 11:08:56

Forget civil war. Something even worse is brewing:

Is Iraq Headed for Genocide?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile the term conjures up thoughts of enormous numbers of civilian dead, the quantity of victims is not the warning sign experts look for when considering the danger of genocide. Samantha Power, a professor at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, says with Shi'ite and Sunni sub-groups already identifying and killing victims solely on the basis of their religious identity, "genocidal intent" is already present in Iraq. "When you drive up to a checkpoint and you're stopped and somebody pulls out your ID and determines whether you're a Sunni or a Shiite and takes you away and kills you because of that, there is a genocidal mentality afoot."
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 11:22:17

"When somebody pulls out your ID and determines whether you're a Sunni or a Shiite and takes you away and kills you because of that, there is a genocidal mentality afoot."


"Afoot!". Yes, yes you could say that.
---
Battle_Scarred_Galactico
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 935
Joined: Thu 07 Apr 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 01 Dec 2006, 00:02:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', '.')..yes you could say that.

Indeed:

Death Squads and Fear Rule Iraq

But Mister Smiley-Face says it's all going to be cool:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aliki told ABC News' Charles Gibson, the anchor of "World News Tonight," that his government "is disarming all the militias."

He also told a news conference in Baghdad that Iraq's armed forces were hunting terrorists and killing a large number of them. "We have a short-term strategy, which will enable us to receive gradual control of the security situation so a disaster is avoided," he said.

He also suggested that Iraqis were one big family. "We are all brothers," Maliki said. "There is no difference between Shiites and Sunni Arabs, Kurds or Christians."

What an asshole...
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Fri 01 Dec 2006, 01:33:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')What an asshole...


Not to worry.

Mister Smiley Face will soon be taking a one-way stroll through a mine field......compliments of Dick Cheney and the chimp.

It will be verrry interesting to see who replaces him. Considering the accelerating chaos in Iraq and the political danger at home, Bushco may be wishing they could resurrect the original Saddam Regime.
DesertBear2
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 514
Joined: Sat 13 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: BlueRidgeVA
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 12:56:05

Yeah, Doctor Rice, play it coy:

Rice Says U.S. Has Made Mistakes in Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')When I'm back at Stanford University," she said, "I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently."


I wonder if she'll admit that she was one of the primary architects of the whole fiasco? She's as Teflon-coated as Reagan was. Nothing sticks to her. She's gotten away with murder.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 13:25:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he next day, Coalition forces struck at 'insurgents' in Samarra. Fourteen insurgents were killed and two captured, after they engaged a Coalition convoy. While the insurgents fled in trucks and motorcycles, Task Force Lightning attack helicopters tracked them for several miles and used two guided bombs to destroy one of the vehicles. Subsequently, helicopters and strike aircraft engaged the remaining vehicles, killing or wounding all of the insurgents," according to the MNF-Iraq press release. No Coalition casualties were reported in any of the three operations.


http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/ ... s.php#more

This whole thing could have been a big success early on if it wasn't for Bush's and Rumsfeld's bungling
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby zoidberg » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 15:21:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '
')That's an interesting view...do you think W really has green party sympathies?


Oh my no. But if the peaking of oil production is as bad as some people think, a viable strategy for maintaining world hegemony(for the US) might be to accelerate the collapse, relying on America's ability to feed itself and fuel its military(with tar sands) indefinitely while other nations without such resources(like Europe and China) fall further and faster than the US. Once Europe has taken up its old warlike&genocidal habits and China reverts to the corruption ridden bandit land it often is, the US could use whatever force is necessary(up to and including using genocidal tactics) to secure the Iraqi oil and fuel itself ontop of the world for the decades it would allow.

After which, hopefully, another alternative would present itself.

Since plan A failed, this Plan B while not as profitable may in the end provide even greater benefits. I highly doubt ol Dubya would think along these lines. But quite frankly I would've expected more out of Kissinger who thought the best way to end the 1973 embargo was to militarily seize the oil fields.
User avatar
zoidberg
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 635
Joined: Wed 23 Feb 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Center of north america
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 23:21:16

Analysts See Few Good Military Options for Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lthough there is little agreement over just how a phased withdrawal of U.S. forces would work, there is a virtual consensus on one issue: Fewer U.S. troops in Iraq will lead to more bloodshed.

"I think what will happen in the near term is a bloodbath," said retired Gen. Jack Keane, the acting chief of staff of the Army at the start of the war, an advisor to the Iraq Study Group and an ABC News consultant. "And while people feel a sense of hopelessness right now, that hopelessness will increase."


Seven More U.S. Troops Killed In Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t least 2,894 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.


UN chief tells of Iraq war sorrow

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he outgoing United Nations Secretary General, Kofi Annan, has told the BBC that the situation in Iraq has become "much worse" than a civil war...Asked by the BBC's Lyse Doucet whether the situation in Iraq could now be classified as a civil war, Mr Annan pointed to the level of "killing and bitterness" and the way forces in Iraq are now ranged against each other.

"A few years ago, when we had the strife in Lebanon and other places, we called that a civil war. This is much worse."
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: Kissinger: Forget it. No way.

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 00:21:53

Wretched low-life scum:

Gunmen kidnap dozens at Iraq's Red Crescent

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')unmen in Iraqi army uniforms staged a mass kidnapping on Sunday at the office of the Iraqi Red Crescent in downtown Baghdad, police said.

An official of the Iraqi aid group said the assailants abducted 20 to 30 employees and visitors, but left women behind. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of security concerns.

...The Red Crescent, which is part of the international Red Cross movement, has around 1,000 staff and some 200,000 volunteers in Iraq. It works closely with the International Committee of the Red Cross, which visits detainees and tries to provide food, water and medicine to Iraqis.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Previous

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron